February 25, 2022

young + creatives

Playing the Game of Life: It’s a Painful, Yet Beautiful Process with Nicholas Jones

Welcome back to the young+creatives podcast! This week Christian and Mikayla sat down with the brilliant Nick Jones, a 28 year old freelance videographer located in the Shreveport-Bossier area. 
In this episode of young+creatives we cover several key topics including:
  • Who is Nicholas Jones? (1:16)
  • Becoming the person that I’m made to be (7:28)
  • Sharing my truest insights about the world (10:41)
  • Bringing your individual talents (24:48)
  • The story of Basil the Great (35:14)
  • Treat your neighbor as being yourself (38:53)
  • Who are you fighting with? (42:26)
  • Learning to deal with the issues within oneself (46:54)
  • Making things is a solution for something (51:26)
  • Who am I in the process of becoming, when “the thing” is about to happen (57:39)
  • Don’t be too proud to heal (1:15:18)
Connect with Nick:
  • Follow him on Instagram: instagram.com/nicholasnobody_/
  • Subscribe to his YouTube: youtube.com/c/SquadCast
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Team RMG  00:00

Hey guys, welcome back to the young creatives podcast. In today’s episode, we sit and speak with Nick Jones a 29 year old videographer located in the Shreveport Bowsher area. And today’s episode, Nick gives insight on how he was able to embrace change and how you can also while becoming a student to life, stay tuned, because you don’t want to miss this episode. Here at revisione marketing group, our team of young professionals get it created with youth in mind, we strive to educate, inspire and promote authentic creativity across all job fields. This is young creatives. Thank you for joining us on Yeah, it was a good time. I couldn’t say no. Could have been.


Nicholas Jones  00:39

No, I really I wanted to do this. Yeah. It’s nice to see everybody again. It really is. Yeah.


Christian Payton  00:47

Crying. Hey, let’s see everybody again. Like you worked with Sydney in


Mikayla Anderson  00:53

Michaela. Yeah, Michael. Yeah. Michael, welcome back. We’re super excited to have you on the podcast. So for people who don’t know you, or are just tuning in, who is Nick Jones? It’s a very simple answer. Nobody know.


Nicholas Jones  01:16

It wasn’t a that’s a that’s a. It’s not tough, because there’s always like weird saying who you are. So I am not the things that I do. But the best way for me to gauge this question is to tell you what I do. I’m currently a student at the DMI Institute. I’m in I’m on the road to becoming a certified animator and VFX artists. Why? I coach a youth Well, I’m assistant coach on a youth basketball team. Oh, that’s new. Yeah. I’m a bass singer and acquire. And I do freelance video editing. One thing that I felt like I knew about before, before, like we got into the conversation, you’ve been like, what’s new? What’s new? And he’s telling you all these things and didn’t mention any of the things? Well, yeah, I figured there was a podcast about to happen soon as I wanted to. Yeah. Yes. Do keep it juicy. Yeah. Keep real authenticity into the podcast. Well, that’s interesting. Yeah. Okay. That mean, these are all new things. For me. I think it hit me. Hit me like a couple weeks ago, I was just thinking, I’m like, man, and every aspect of my life right now, I’m a student, and I’m learning. And I would have never told you that, yeah, I’ll join a choir or Yeah, sure. Sign me up to be an animator or man, I want to coach basketball. But these things are kind of happened. And so is, again, I think, part of the reason why it’s tough for me to say who I am, because, you know, I was doing something completely different. Two years ago, before moving to Louisiana, and two years after being here, I’m doing something completely different. So it’s a it’s an ever unfolding process. And it’s been fun. I like that. You said that. You’re not like what you do. Yeah.


Christian Payton  03:09

Because we haven’t heard that response yet. Well, if I tell you who I am.


Nicholas Jones  03:14

I started. Turn it up. No. I really do.


Mikayla Anderson  03:21

Yeah, no, that’s exciting. Congratulations. Thank you. It’s fun. Awesome. Are you doing that with like, church and stuff? Are you did you find like some friends? Yeah. So I have really good friends at the church that I attend.


Nicholas Jones  03:36

They’re really like family. I know. People say they like oh, they’re like family, but they are really like family. And yeah, I just randomly I like to, we have some wonderful hymns. And I couldn’t help but sing them. And someone came and grabbed me. They’re like, hey, well, we need some more male singers. And so I’ve been learning how to read music, which is like learning a new language. And that along with and this is all happening that you know, within the church, and my friend Mark is he he’s a parent to his boys play on the team. And so he’s just like, Hey, there, you know, YMCA ball is coming up. And would you mind helping me out to coach the guys? Oh, Kosta boys. And I was like, yeah. So it’s all kind of happening within that. So it’s been a you know, it’s cool. It’s really cool.


Christian Payton  04:28

So in the span of, I don’t know how long this is, like all happening at once. Or it seems like it is all


Nicholas Jones  04:37

slow, slow building, slow building and was weird about it. It’s not weird, actually. It’s I find myself doing the things that I’ve always loved, which is basketball, and sending. So it’s like coming back to you. It’s coming back, you know, because I think I might be ready for it because I think sometimes we can live in such a way you were like, people say all the time like follow your passion. Follow your passion and Sometimes it can be informed by so many things and not necessarily one that’s deeper than you know, you know, one that’s like, no, I really love doing this. And if there were no societal rules, I would do this all the time. And no one would have to pay me for it. But we are we play the game of life. And so I think a lot of this stuff is just informed. So for me to be like, Hey, I would love to be a coach. Haven’t been away from the game of basketball for some time. It was like, I would love to be able to share what I’ve learned, where I messed up and where I’ve seen success. And I’m getting a chance to do that. And there’s no money tied to it, which is kind of cool and sank in like a nickel, you’ll join a choir. Well, no, I’m cuckoo for that. And my guys would laugh at me. So yeah, it’s just things are kind of coming back. And I’m, I would like to think that I’m living from the heart these days, which is so completely different gauge on life. And so


Christian Payton  06:03

that sounds magical. It is. It is, but


Nicholas Jones  06:06

it’s so simple. It’s so simple.


Christian Payton  06:09

Is it sounds Oh, it is it is very simple. But then like to actually walk it out and do it. It’s not.


Nicholas Jones  06:15

No, no. It’s like walking through fire, oh, sidewalk, the fire because people you know, of course, they’re going to be judged miss, you’re going to judge yourself to, you’re going to judge yourself based on the judgments that you perceive other people may have or the thing that you’re doing or pursuing. And I think that’s just that’s part of like, finding oneself when they are not arrived. But when you are living as a human being is. People want you to live in a way that they deem that fits you are there that fit their view of you, and your mold of you and their mold of you. Exactly. So we have a real bad tendency to try to create others in our own image and likeness. So


Christian Payton  07:02

yeah, you said that you’re not from here? Where are you from?


Nicholas Jones  07:06

Originally from Little Rock, Arkansas,


Christian Payton  07:07

how’d you end up here?


Nicholas Jones  07:09

How do I end up here? It was a long story. But trying to see how I can make this short without leaving out some things that may be useful. Let’s see. I was doing YouTube. For six years, I did it full time as an influencer and as a video editor and sort of like a creative God amongst my friends, or my friends at the time. And we did that for some time. It was successful. And I think in that while I was in that world, it was like, there’s something there’s something missing there. I had those moments like, oh, there’s something missing, like everything is going right, why am I not happy? And I started to seek that out. I wanted to seek that out, like what is what is going to help me feel fulfilled because ultimately, that’s what I want. I want to be fulfilled in life and I want to feel, not feel I don’t have to feel it. I want to become the person that I want to be not even that I’m really made to be.


Christian Payton  08:19

So you have the desire to be like it’s just there in you.


Nicholas Jones  08:22

Yeah, yeah. So am I seeking that? Just weird trials and tribulations that kind of reveal some things about the world and about myself, truly. And in order for me to make some changes, I needed to be in a new setting. And I have a wonderful family in mendon Louisiana who were my aunt at the time, we were having conversations about a lot of the things that I was going through at the time because it seemed like everything went wrong everything and I lost friends during that time. I was running route which you know, you would like to think that you have so many friends but when life gets real for you and you’re like man, I gotta change something and then you get a response like well why change? It’s like oh god I never knew that you actually like that. So then you start to reveal themselves and I have family that I was talking to my aunt like I said and she was going through similar similar awakening like something’s off and it was right when the pandemic and so after talking with her she’s like well baby you know you can always come home as long but yeah, yeah. So I did I stay with them and matam Louisiana has been the most healing but short answer. I ended up here seeking the good the beautiful in a true and see how that see and seeing how my seeking that would look in the world. So Yeah Louise out as part of my journey and so they’re brought to you to Sri for brought me to Sri for


Christian Payton  10:07

okay sweared No It most definitely. Yeah. Um, so you did a YouTube as an influencer? Yeah. So have you always been a creative?


Nicholas Jones  10:21

Always been a creative? Yeah. And not in the sense that I think sometimes I’m in the, I guess I’m in the process of trying to retrieve what creative means because man has always been creative. So


Christian Payton  10:38

what is what is creative mean to you?


Nicholas Jones  10:41

Um For me, it’s a means of sharing my truest insights about the world, or my experience in the world. And my outlet, I’ve looked at the questions. And for me, my outlets are well, how do you know, saying I’m here,


Christian Payton  11:10

thank you.


Nicholas Jones  11:14

Part of my outlet is like music is writing music, and just writing in general. But yeah, so what is being creative mean to me? Yes. Is really sharing my truest insights about my experience in life.


Christian Payton  11:34

How long have you been writing music?


Nicholas Jones  11:36

How long? I would say since I was my mom tells me the story. She says when I was about eight years old. She found my composition notebook. And I had written down a I had a few points. A few like lyrics written down a couple a couple verses written in there. And I’ve always been a I’ve always taken two words. Because for as a shy kid, and as one who shy Yeah, yeah. As a shy kid.


Christian Payton  12:13

I was. Do you think that you could be pickup? Ashley?


Mikayla Anderson  12:19

Absolutely. I do. Seems like an outgoing person. Oh.


Nicholas Jones  12:27

I mean, it depends on the day. But Bashar just me reserve, because I think sometimes I think most of us can be that way. Right? We reserve certain parts of ourselves. Because we feel like the parties aren’t necessarily ready or open to really hear about our experience as we really experienced it. And so as someone who has a desire to let that out, it was always like, well, I probably should just shut up, you know, or something like that. But always, that was my earliest, it was eight years old, eight years old. And numbers weren’t my thing. I mean, we started like, you know, when you start to learn, like the like, well, here’s the digital clock, but we want to teach you how to read analog clocks. So you got to read the hands on. I was like,


Christian Payton  13:15

I’m interested.


Nicholas Jones  13:16

I’m interested in numbers that look like letters. Yeah. Just give me the words, and I just want to keep the words. But yeah, nothing has really never been my thing. But I found that just been having a desire to write and really having the desire to want to commit to communicate. It was the only way that I could, you know, do


Christian Payton  13:40

this. So how do you get into videography? Or when did you get into video?


Nicholas Jones  13:45

It was right when I moved to Fort Smith. So after dropping out of college, I ended up in Little Rock for some time to end to work. And I had taken a position of Fayetteville, Arkansas. And while I was there, I was working some crazy hours, I worked some crazy jobs. I was a very route, I ran a bread route in Northwest Arkansas. And then I worked as a it’s called a DME technician. But all it is, is you know when people go to in home hospice, so instead of going to a facility, they do hospice and home at their during their later days. And so I was the guy who took the equipment to them. So if they needed a hospital bed, I take it to him set it up, they needed oxygen tanks, I took it to him set that up. So I did that. And that was the two jobs that I ran for a year, but I was like working independently, and I’m maybe 2021 at the time doing like Big Boy work that I wasn’t necessarily prepared for. Yeah. And so all I wanted to do is run down to talk with my friends about a lot of the stuff that I was experiencing, or to just be free from it. And they were doing YouTube at the time and they had been doing it I think the time have maybe plateau for some time at about 500,000 subscribers, so it was already a thing. But me coming in, I was just the awkward guy who was probably going to say the inappropriate thing. And, and challenge some some thoughts and ideas. And the main guy whose name is Trey he Suica. He ended up he saw the potential and how we could think amongst one another, and the differences in thought. And so he was he showed me some of those early things around the video because I wanted to be involved. But I didn’t have the skills. And so he would just show me things here and there. And as we grew together, and as the channels grew, we would do more things. So we did three podcasts, we did three subsequent channels under the main channel, and all of them requires something different, or a different sort of creative. And that’s how I got started. So ASAN is mostly self taught. So a little bit of guidance from what he had learned, who taught himself and then he shared what he knew with me. And it’s been self teaching, since then, and then I got here and it really kind of evolved. So with


Christian Payton  16:17

3d animation, what like was, what spiked that interest,


Nicholas Jones  16:23

it was actually curious as to what it was one of the early projects, so one of the, the clients that you guys worked with, they were, of course, one to add more value to the, the, the business that they’re serving wants to add more value, they were like, hey, know, your video guy, but would you mind trying to animate this, you know, if it don’t work, who but you know, have a look at it and see if it can be done. And I took a look at it. And it was doable, did it and it was used. And so I think it’s when the my peak. That’s when my interest was at that point. But I knew it was like difficult work, of course is difficult. It’s just a lot to learn. But that’s when it started.


Mikayla Anderson  17:14

That’s so cool.


Christian Payton  17:18

You said earlier that like as someone that wanted to communicate, but people weren’t necessarily wanting to hear, I guess that you just chose to you chose to opt out of, I guess conversations and then that’s how you kind of got into writing music.


Nicholas Jones  17:37

Writing music. Yeah. I always say that. I feel like people listen to their people listen better if it’s put in a song. And that’s why we get nursery rhymes. And that’s why it’s a, b, c, d, instead A, B, yeah, you know, it’s just a different or it hits you. It touches you differently, and haven’t been affected in that way. Like I grew up on r&b and soul music. The first piece of music I heard was temptations, the temptations and the Five Heartbeats. Now these are guys who’ve lived hell of a hell of a life. And a lot of heartbroken music. And this is a lot of music that I was exposed to. So I had a sense of my one sensitivity to music. And, and that it was okay to be vulnerable. And this is how some people do it. And so yeah, I can’t really right. Am I Am I so your question? I’m on track because sometimes, okay. So yeah, it was well, writing music, like how can I? How can I really tell you because I don’t really think I can tell you the way that I would love you to hear it, just in normal conversation, not this thing. So.


Christian Payton  18:53

Okay, and so with that, he Okay, so we’re talking just this conversation? Do you feel like you’re more of a direct or indirect person in the way that you communicate?


Nicholas Jones  19:02

Direct? I think I’m, well, it depends. It depends on the situation, you know, sometimes directness could be more it can come off as harsh. So if one thing especially working in as like an independent operator, in the bread rail, and during, you know, in the hospice field, one thing you learn is to listen first. And you gauge it by that and you say by direct it’s not. It’s just say what needs to be said or say nothing at all, you know, and Communication Always is always going to be that, like, say what needs to be said or say nothing at all.


Christian Payton  19:44

Does that affect your creative process?


Nicholas Jones  19:50

No, I can be very direct and imaginative waves and imagine it’s a ways when I’m reading music, I find I can be very direct and again, And I don’t I don’t know how people think about the but words register my mind all sorts of ways. So can I ask you, how do you? How do you mean it like? Well, you asked me the question, but I guess I’m like, How do you mean it direct? Give me a situation, you know,


Christian Payton  20:17

a situation or an example. To have an example. Okay, so my question was, do you think your direct or indirect person that depends on the situation? And does that? How does that how does that play out in your creative process? Is that a better question? Oh, yeah.


Nicholas Jones  20:35

Okay. Yeah, I’m pretty direct in my creative process. And I think that’s sort of where people can view me as like disagreeable, as disagreeable or maybe, to do just don’t listen, or he’s he’s, he’s, he’s a know it all. Or he’s a picker. Yeah. Yeah, I can get stubborn. And. But I think a lot of, you know, I think the missing isn’t maybe it’s not missing, but part of the creative process and what is to be produced from the or what’s the commodity, that process is the belief that is really the belief like, I believe in this. And I think, I mean, you hear it in different if, if you listen to some music, you can tell was, who’s actually real about what it is that they’re saying and who’s not. And I think the same goes with, with a video, you know what I mean? Like, or something that calls for creative and ideas and all that. And I will be stubborn in that, because I’m wanting to scrutinize a lot of the things that come out of my own head. So I’ve done I’ve been in dialogue with people who’ve already proven themselves as creatives, not because I want to be them. But these are the people that scrutinize what it is that I think is good or great, or whatever it is, right. So one, it keeps me it gives me a real gauge on things, you know, and sometimes it’s hard to. Sometimes it’s hard to not explain that. But to do that in a kind way. But the creative process is. So a lot of things it’s a roller coaster is it can be violent. It can be you have ebbs and flows. It’s a lot of that so and I don’t hide from it. And I is I don’t know how to warm people up to be a part of the process as it unfolds. without me being who I am, which is naturally disagree.


Mikayla Anderson  22:37

No, no, there was like times when we started like our first pod cast here, where it was like a complete roller coaster. Like some days were like super good. Some days were like, We’re done after 10 minutes, because it was really hard. And I think it’s because we were all passionate about it. I ain’t gonna say it was Nick’s idea. He’s gonna say, no, no, it was his idea.


Christian Payton  23:08

No, we’ve actually said that on the last episode of entre network like episode 12. I believe Cindy’s like the idea of the podcast came from Nick Jones. This is Nick Jones.


Nicholas Jones  23:21

Hey, Nicolas, Nicolas Jenner, as you know,


Christian Payton  23:25

really invite


Mikayla Anderson  23:27

when we were all locked in a house, apartment, whatever it was last February.


Nicholas Jones  23:33

And we talked about that, like that whole, what the podcast could be what it would be the thoughts, like when it was done over online meetings. And not everybody was happy. Not everybody was happy. Most of the ideas was scrapped. So if you had one, that’s just what it was, if you didn’t have one, that’s just what it was. But that didn’t matter. Because the end goal is the only thing that we really care about. So whatever, whatever the feelings involve, in whatever, you know, whatever is involved in the process is just involved, but it’s all leading up to the thing. Right, so So yeah, it doesn’t hinder my creative process. But sometimes it can hinder me from playing well with others. And that means that if this is what you want to do, well, you know, you don’t have that skill. Sometimes I’m overconfident I think I can just pick up anything and learn it right away and do it so sometimes it calls for me to humble myself and reach out to people and say hey, well you know we’re you’re really good at this you’re really good at this would you mind helping me with that and the more I will allow for that to happen the better and and I think the the group if the more the group can understand that we all bring our individual talents. I cannot compete with you because I don’t have to write because I’m born to I’m not born to do it. I’m it’s not It’s not me versus you. It’s like, what are we about to do? You know, and the more I kind of stay in that mindset, you know, a lot of things can happen. But


Christian Payton  25:12

I’m not to mess up a quote, like I always do. But this morning, I was on social media. And there is a post that said, when you’ve made it to the top, whatever that means, you see that people are more collaborative. And then people at the bottom are the ones that are competing with each other. You don’t have to compete with each other, or with one another.


Nicholas Jones  25:33

And two, two brains are always better than one.


Mikayla Anderson  25:37

That’s my favorite quote, you ever say? He would say that every single day? And like, sometimes I just feel like, Yeah, whatever, shut up. But like, real? Like, if there’s one thing I took away from Nicholas Jones,


Christian Payton  25:51

hey, two brains are better than one.


Nicholas Jones  25:53

Yeah. And I got it from Lil Wayne. Love that. I’m saying I think but that’s why I’ll be telling you listen to the lyrics, because sometimes you’ll get something that is the ability for you to transform something, no matter what it is. And I think that’s why it’s important to get, you know, to have conversations like like you all do, and get the beliefs and the perspectives out there. And at some point, you’ll find some point something shows itself as you how do you say, as the Oh, no, this is where we all agree, this is where we all it’s this thing, and only we could make it that truth for Yeah, and only us could have created it in this way. So I think that’s there there in Lost originality in the real creative when people actually collab. Yeah,


Christian Payton  26:51

I like that. I never thought about it in that aspect, or even trying to visualize it.


Mikayla Anderson  26:58

I got a question for you, neck. Hey. So I don’t know if you remember this, when you were asking me how girls think of things. And I was asking you about how guys think of doing little questions here and there. But it was like actually times that like, it made sense. And it was just like, because I would get so frustrated with the way that Trevor was doing things. And I would ask that I’ll be like, is this normal? Like his, like D guys actually do this? And he’d be like, yeah, like, this is like, it makes sense to me. Because an XYZ. And when Christian thought of this podcast episode, I knew that.


Nicholas Jones  27:43

So I do remember some of those conversations. I remember one distinctly I’ll sit in the chair, like I’m like, whatever. And then use probably over here we do. We had a few of those. Yeah, I do remember that. I do remember,


Mikayla Anderson  27:56

good times. It was so weird. This episode. We like our main idea was like to kind of talk about guys and girls perspectives and how they differ. And so do you find it difficult to understand women? Why or why not?


Nicholas Jones  28:18

No. Because, I mean, women are people, they’re human beings just like me, just like men, human beings. We’re not two different creatures. I mean, we are but we have more than similar. I mean, we have more in common than not, I think. So why? Because, you know, women are human beings. You know what I mean? Like I, and I think I was able to learn this during just in like, maybe high school, maybe, or junior high. And because I was the guy like, I was the guy who write you a letter, if I liked you, if I thought she was cute, I was gonna write you a letter. I was gonna do a lot of those. But I mean, you know, some rejection came with that, but I didn’t mind rejection. And I say that to say that what I learned during those years is that women, I mean, the, the girls at that time, they like that, you know, no matter what was happening, you know, like, Oh, I’m gonna date the popular guy. I’m gonna date that Doug, I’m gonna date this guy and go, they didn’t stop. I was always just like a regular guy. Never mind it been a regular guy. And, and I was who I was, and I didn’t, I didn’t, I couldn’t. I couldn’t make anything. I didn’t smile all that much during those years. But I was I could be. I was just myself as much as I could be. And what I found is that I mean, we just, I mean, we want the same things. We just want to be accepted. We just want to be understood. We just want to be encouraged like it’s a different I don’t think it’s any different. I mean, Of course, there’s some differences. But for the most part, yeah, I’m not trying to understand women, I’m trying to understand the person. I’m not trying to understand women in general, like you’re a unique person, you’re a unique person, I might have a better shot at trying to understand. Just you.


Christian Payton  30:18

Yeah, okay, we’re gonna have to, like link your social media, because this is gonna be good. That’s good. A lot of people are gonna be interested in that concept. I haven’t. I’ve never heard that before. Because I feel like I fall in the category of trying to understand like,


Mikayla Anderson  30:35

men. So we all go wrong, because there’s just like a general stereotype like, All men are the same. All women are the same. Well, I think


Christian Payton  30:43

there are certain aspects where like, men think, like a man would think this way. And a woman would think this way, just naturally, those truths like those just hold to be true.


Nicholas Jones  30:55

That is, I mean, it might help to watch like some male comedians, because we still have some representatives who are out there. And they’re honest about the male experience, like where, you know, they say, Me, you know, you think what, we don’t think logic first, logic isn’t always first. It’s not. What’s first,


Christian Payton  31:18

what’s first. Never mind boobs. That’s interesting, because one of the questions that we were going to touch on was, um, men tend to think with like more of the left side of their brain and versus women who think with the right side, and like, the left side is supposed to represent like logic aichele analytical things, and then the right side is more like,


Mikayla Anderson  31:41

creative freedom. Yeah. And like, just motion. Yeah, emotion and creative freedom overall. And the biggest thing that I was learning when I researched this was, men tend to think front to back. So they’re either on the analytical side, or just a creative side, when women tend to think left to right, so that’s why they can think both ways faster.


Christian Payton  32:15

But instead are better multitaskers as well. handle more better than a man would? Because of the way that they think, with the brain?


Nicholas Jones  32:27

Well, I mean, okay, so I don’t know how to answer that question. I know, I won’t say I have a real definite answer.


Christian Payton  32:33

Do you feel like you like, like, you fit in one of those molds. I try to


Nicholas Jones  32:37

use my whole brain as much as possible. Yo says like, amen. And I mean, sometimes you reason within yourself, and you say, hey, well, this little s logic here. Yeah, you know, be loved. And I think, but to say earlier, like, I think women do have a natural, you’re just naturally more compassionate, naturally, more loving, naturally more affectionate. Not saying that men aren’t but of course, we’re just trying to kind of train that this is the way guys are. And this is the way women are. are conditioned. But I mean, we’ve had conversations. So you have I mean, you’re sharp. You don’t think emotionally I don’t I’ve never called you thinking emotionally.


Christian Payton  33:27

Yeah, it is more of a like a logical thing for me. Yeah.


Nicholas Jones  33:31



Mikayla Anderson  33:32

I caught her catch it emotionally. Yeah.


Nicholas Jones  33:35

I mean, I like it to happen. We all get there. Like, you know, men are emotional, too. I mean, we’re like, we’re like, hold. I mean, trying to be whole people. Yeah.


Mikayla Anderson  33:49

So let me ask you this. How do you think that affects, like, men and women in the job field? Like, do you think traditionally, men are gonna have like higher ranking jobs than women because they think more logically, or like, if, let’s say, like, with a woman, there’ll be more likely to go on, like health care or something because they’re more compassionate and emotional, and they take care of people like that.


Nicholas Jones  34:23

I mean, it depends on how the woman view herself or how the man view comes. Well, it depends on how the woman view herself. I think, I think if you put yourself in a box are in the box that exists, then I gotta go because I’m compassionate. I got to go be a nurse or healthcare provider of some sort. And that’s doable. That’s very commendable. And the fact that the fact that there is a greater population of women tending to people who are ill and are dying or whatever. I think that’s really commendable work so there’s never like you gotta do this. But to think that you can only think with one side or you’re more dominant on the other side, I think you may limit yourself, be you man or woman. And one of the guys that here’s a, there’s a story about a man who lived. And he’s, his name is Basil, Basil the Great. He’s, he was he was the guy in ancient Christian community who started orphanages and hospitals. And I think upon his dying they, during his the, the eulogy, or is it a eulogy? Okay, some of you speaking about this, guys, but they were I think one of the remarks that was said about him is that he was, and this is an original to me, I’ve heard this from somebody else, but I thought it was very, it’s like, I want to remember this, when he who he said that he walked. He walked the earth, as if he owned it. But he was as gentle as a mother. And this was said about a man. And so I think incorporating as much as you can. Like, all of who you really are, like, who you made up, like we’re not made to not be compassionate. That’s just not how it works. Like, Oh, you don’t get to compassion. It’s a learned behavior. Yeah. Yeah. And so when you’re willing to unlearn it, I think that’s where it started. But to answer your question, more specifically, as how does it play out in the workplace? One, why does it matter if you have a higher paying job? Right? So I think there’s stories of the woman who was on NASA who and there’s the lady who was on NASA, and that’s a very, you know, if we’re using the terms, that’s very what left brain dominant field of worrying, and it may be. But I would say that she was also if she was that passionate there, she might have been as passionate as a mother, I think they kind of correlate, as opposed to her well, because she’s like this, she can’t be like that. Right? So I don’t know if any of that makes sense. But


Mikayla Anderson  37:06

I want to. So when was the time that you felt like? Or I guess, like, for both of you? That you just felt like it was just like the communication isn’t there? I have those times all the time. Yeah, specifically between a man and a woman? And why do you think that because I know we talked about this with the nonverbal communication. As far as like. You’re welcome. As far as like, cuz I know, Nick, when I say I’m fine. Versus like, what does that mean? What does that mean? I’m fine.


Christian Payton  37:53

Or how was it? How was work today? Christian? It was okay. It was fine.


Nicholas Jones  38:00

Well, where do the communication break? So I think we live in a time where men and women have to think this way. So some men are going to do certain things, and they got to declare themselves alpha, or is the alpha male. And I think on the on the other side, you’re gonna have women who you do certain things, you adopt certain attitudes, you’re like, Okay, I’m Alfa woman. But I was having this discussion yesterday with some people, and we’re talking about the golden rule, treat


Mikayla Anderson  38:24

people you want to be treated, the way you want to be treated, whatever it is,


Nicholas Jones  38:29

I mean, but we know it, we know, it just instinctually we know it. And when we lose sight of that, I think that’s when the problems arise. But something that’s really when that when that was given out, because a lot of this is just this is what’s been passed down to us from, you know, the cliches that we use, they’ve been passed down for ages. And we don’t question them, and we don’t, but when I think when it was first rendered, it was more along the line of treat your neighbor as being yourself. So it’s like, no, okay, I really am going to treat you as if I’m you. I don’t know what but at least that that shift and man opens up, something completely opens up for something completely different to take place, once you get some empathy. You know, understanding can happen at that point. But I think we’re coming in not wanting resolution, when we come in to communicate like, do we really want resolution want to be very right or do just want to be heard? Like, what do you actually so a lot of the times and a lot of my relationships, I would just depending on what the conflict was, if I could sense that there was no resolution. All right, we can talk about it later. And then come up. Now. The day after, it’s a completely different conversation. We both rested


Christian Payton  39:58

and you’re actually discussing like what the issue is instead of like, just those emotions in the moment,


Nicholas Jones  40:03

boom, boom, so is really just about it’s about I mean, it’s it’s self control, like, Man, I’m not always one to listen to how my exes, whatever. I want to always amp to listen to how your day was I didn’t always feel like listening to you. But I would listen. Let’s just listen. Yeah, if I didn’t hear you, you know? And sometimes it helps like, okay, if I’m the person who’s listening to what’s being expressed, okay, what do you want me to do? Right? Are you seeking for me to just? Are you just seeking the air? Are you seeking advice is to ask as opposed to want to give you a gift soon? Yeah. So it’s a it’s definitely a give and take, but you have to give first, you know, you have to give, and you don’t have to do anything. But as much as I can I try to give before I take whatever that


Christian Payton  41:00

means. I feel like I’m always talking about and you’ve told me this before. I’m always talking about how big communication is like, just communicate, just communicate. It’s not that hard to communicate with them. Like when it’s actually time to communicate. It’s not as easy as it’s not as easy. Done, as it is said. And then I feel like you told me before that I have like emotional intelligence. But I feel like I’m lacking that aspect. So good.


Nicholas Jones  41:32

I mean, you can grow some Yeah, I


Christian Payton  41:34

don’t feel like I’m like the best. So um, oh, what was the question again?


Nicholas Jones  41:39

What do you mean a different Where do the conflict happen between men and women and communicating?


Christian Payton  41:44

Oh, yeah, I’m definitely wanting to be heard and not really like addressing the issue. I think a lot of the times, for me personally, in past relationships, whether it be like, like romantic or just friendships, it’s like, wanting to be right. And instead of like tackling instead of like, Y’all like arguing to like, fix the problem, you’re like fighting each other. And that just doesn’t really resolve anything so


Nicholas Jones  42:10

and you find if you’re fighting one another with what am I fighting you with? Like, who else is with me? Is it that person that hurt me in middle school that I never forgave? Is it that that time my dad said this to me is that time my mom did this? Who all fighting with me when I finally addressed you, when we finally go to discuss this. And so part of communication is one learning how to communicate with yourself. So even if I’m the one who has a problem that needs to express it with whomever I’m dealing with whoever have the problem with, I need to start using reason. Like I think that’s the only if I can reason through, like, Okay, why am I so like, it’s hard to do it in the moment, but to take that little as much as you can, just outside yourself a little bit. Because there’s always that voice, like, calm down, calm down, but she like but she’s so passionate in the moment, but you hear that voice is like calm down, calm down, calm. And we talked about this, but I’m like, but leading up to that you probably should be in conversation with it voice is like, calm down, calm down, calm down, calm down, before you even go to address it. But But yeah, who’s all communicating with you? Am I just reenact in the way I was communicated? You know, am I talking? And I mean, I’ve seen this in my own life, like, especially in like coaching, I was coached a very particular way. It was very militant. And I noticed that with the boys, whereas like, they do something they’re not if they’re not like, straight pencils standing, they’re not talking, not even don’t breed until I finish. So what I mean to say, I can be that way, because that’s that’s how I was kind of taught. And I think it’s the same. That’s that’s how the game was communicated to me. And so it’s natural for me to want to communicate it that way. But I noticed that Oh, I can’t do that. Yeah, I can’t do that. And it takes it just takes that like, oh, I can’t do it this way.


Mikayla Anderson  44:04

So what about for you? Yeah, well, to argue that as far as like, let’s say someone has like a mental disability, such as like depression, anxiety, different things like that, and not able to see that or hear that voice in their head. Who’s at fault? Who’s EPO? Like, if, let’s say, I have a really bad anxiety about like, let’s say in general, like I have a really bad anxiety about Trevor leaving me or whatever it is. Which I don’t, we’re married, whatever. Let’s say I have this anxiety. And he starts getting angry and bla bla bla bla bla and I’m trying to defuse that situation because cuz I have that anxiety. I’m not communicating that anxiety. But I’m trying everything I can to say like, Hey, like that is about just trying to fix it. Like, is that something that should be done? Because of what I have? Or is that something he should understand? Even though it’s not communicated?


Christian Payton  45:23

Well, I don’t see how he can understand it if it’s not communicated. Right?


Nicholas Jones  45:29

It might help to always take the onus upon yourself. So the moment up part of our depression and anxiety, at least I found that my own depression and anxiety is one it’s not too good for it was part of human condition, everybody has felt it for forever. You’re not too good for these feelings. And it’s not always easy not to define yourself by it. So it’s like, yeah, I’m just an anxious person. But the more you tell yourself, the, the more becomes listen to a song. It’s like, as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he that if your conversation with yourself, the way you communicate with yourself is in this way that I am this, I am anxious, I am depressed, to believe that that’s yucky reality, in your mind, your mind is going to have a hard time seeking a solution like how else can we think about this? And so these things express themselves, but so in the you want like the well, I don’t know, what I find anxiety and depression, right? Depression is when I have failed to express and anxiety is really comes from me putting demands on other people and the way that life should be is kind of where these things arise. And who’s at fault? Nobody but me, I have to be, right. Because if I go to blame you, I can never really deal with the issue with it myself. Right? So I think part of in finding that voice is using it to yourself and by yourself. And for me, that’s always writing. So you start to start a dialogue. And you never, I tried to never start a dialogue with myself, be it in a journal, without seeking a way to either transform the situation, or to find some resolution or solace. Or to give myself some piece of advice, you know, they act like if he was to advise a friend, how would you advise a friend and you get to see, take an objective, a slight objective point of view, you know, how would you advise a friend that was dealing with the same thing you’re dealing with? You get to gauge it that way? Like, sometimes you got to psych yourself out this shit? Right? But the mind is capable of doing that. But I don’t know if that answered your question.


Mikayla Anderson  47:43

Yes, so like when Nick touched on, like, sometimes the party isn’t ready to hear stuff, or like they’re not ready for that situation. I think with like, mental disorders, the people who have them are constantly scared of that situation, that the party’s not ready to hear it. So they just bottle it up, and they bottle it up. But then, specifically with myself, I have these expectations of people to understand me when they could never know, because I haven’t told them. And so obviously, it’s taken time to like, tell them and like explain it. And then like tell myself, like, they’re not gonna know, if they don’t hear me say it. Like, they can make assumptions. And they can I say, Oh, she’s just an anxious person. But like, realistically, as far as like expectations, it’s super hard, because it’s like, you have these expectations of people, when they don’t even know what they are. Because they really do change day by day, like one day, you can be super anxious one day you’re not. And so it’s just like, you have to be able to communicate those things. Because


Nicholas Jones  49:07

most times people are trying to, as soon as you wake up, you’re trying to understand yourself, like, am I feeling Am I feeling like that you’re trying to understand Yeah. Everybody should be you know, like everybody’s trying to Yeah, everybody started you dealing with yourself, the first thing you got to deal with when you wake up is yourself. Yep. And if you want to set yourself up for a decent day, you should be constantly dealing with yourself as often as you can and sometimes that means having a strategy in place. So whenever I know what causes what I know the situations that make me anxious, what do I have in place? What do I have in place, when that moment arises? Have I have I come up with some strategy and these are very, very particular? Yeah. Like, you know what gives you and the more you can under sometimes it’s just an understanding of yourself that eases it. Sometimes you just got to admit to yourself what it is. And that’s the, that’s the remedy for it,


Christian Payton  50:04

or like having like somebody that you trust that can help you, like, get to that point, because I know that like, I’ve had moments like that, like, where I just feel. I get frustrated, I don’t necessarily, like I get like, maybe I don’t really, like I get like anxiety, like, as as much as somebody else, but I get like, frustrated. And I know like I’ve been able to like, come to you with like, whatever the situation is. And you you’ll listen, but then like, you’ll ask me like point blank, just a specific question that will help me like recenter. And like, come back to it’s me. Yeah. Because most of the time, it’s like, it’s not most of them. I’m gonna say 100% of the time it is you?


Nicholas Jones  50:42

Yeah. And that’s one of the hardest realities, like, don’t get me wrong, like, that’s one of the hardest realities to deal with, or one of the hardest things to come to terms with is that no matter how somebody treats me like, It’s me because I have to, I have to get a handle on it myself, no matter what it is. Because I mean, life is kind of anxious piece of work. I mean, who, who’s not affected you like who’s not affected with tragic events and anxiety and depression and pain and normal feelings. And these of as long as man has been walking? It’s been that way. Imagine the first one like getting here and like, well, what,


Mikayla Anderson  51:20

what is this, I’m


Nicholas Jones  51:24

in a to freak you out. And I think that’s kind of what that’s why we make things because everything we make is Estrada. So it’s a solution for something.


Christian Payton  51:36

And that goes back to like creativity. Now everybody is a creative.


Nicholas Jones  51:40

Yeah, but you got to create for you, you got to create for yourself. And I think the best creation one can undertake is how they nurture their inner world, you’re always going to be the architect of that. Nobody else. And that’s the beauty of it, nobody else could cultivate that for you. And they can be as wonderful as you allow it to be. And it’s doable, and it’s possible. And I think it’s helpful to find those people who have done it, who are in the act of doing it. And because I serve as an example, improve, that you can kind of trust it as you’re going through it, whatever. And that’s kind of where I’m at right now. And much like the creative process, like it has to be, I have to be more patient than not, you know, like, I just finished up a song. And I’ve been working on it for a year. And I’ve had


Mikayla Anderson  52:30

nothing in the bio.


Nicholas Jones  52:33

But I’m taking his wrote different pieces of it at different points in time throughout the year for different songs. But they made sense for this song. So it happened in such a mysterious way. But it worked out. But I was working it and working it and working it so we have to be active in this. Guys, we got to be active in ourselves, man, we got to be so active in ourselves, you know?


Christian Payton  53:00

What are some of your expectations when it comes to like your you creating legs,


Nicholas Jones  53:05

I try not to have none, I try not to judge it. And that’s what I was saying earlier, like there has to be this element of play. Because if I have already done by the time, I’m going to do the thing. I’ve already scrutinized it, I’ve already gathered the ideas, I’ve already listened to my Angelo, I’ve already cross referenced her to another point that I had seen, I’ve already listened to Generico I’ve already kind of put in the information that I needed before I go and do the thing. So now is just a synthesizing that in this in this, it’s because now it’s settled in me in such a way that I can I can really just express it, you know, like they say like nothing’s new under the sun. But what’s under the sun affects you differently than it does everybody else and how you share that is yours. So you


Mikayla Anderson  54:00

posted something on LinkedIn the other day, about creativity, and how it’s not spur of the moment, and how it’s the ideas leading up to


Nicholas Jones  54:11

So assuming in the process of becoming before because we can start throwing around ideas right now. Okay. And let’s say we all come in off a rough night, didn’t get no sleep, and we just start throwing out ideas. As opposed to a month from now or as opposed to a day we come in here and we throw around ideas where you’re arrested, you’re arrested unrest and we’ve been practicing this for about two months. So by the time we go in for discussion, we’re more at ease. There’s an ease about the there’s an ease in the process now versus as opposed to like a chaos and something like that. So that’s, that’s that’s a that’s a collective view. But on the individual level is like Who have I been becoming for me before I even write a song. I’ve I’ve been reading I’ve been listening to such and such And I’ve been reading such and such work. And I’ve been doing this and by the time idea comes, what is done? It’s like, I don’t know, it’s like a gosh, is like


Mikayla Anderson  55:18

a mosaic of everything?


Nicholas Jones  55:20

Yes, and is yours. But you’re the interpreter of the ideas. I think Prince used to say, like, I have to act on the thing, or Michael or princess is, but they have to act on the idea as soon as they come one, because I know I don’t come from me. I think there’s a lot of truth in that. I think there’s one, it doesn’t come from me. And to if I don’t do it, he will. And, but they’ve been there. They’ve been making music all this time. And they’ve been studying it and they’ve been doing whatever they need to do. So when that idea arises, they can act on it. So


Christian Payton  55:54

would you say that like Michael imprints were like some of the most brilliant creatives that have like walked? What makes someone like, a great creative like acting on that? Or


Nicholas Jones  56:06

it has to be that action, it has to be the production of the day. I hate production, because it sounds mechanical. It’s like a mechanical work. But it has to be the it has to bring it to life as to be the bringing it to life. That’s what makes the the creative. Because I mean, I could be, I could be a billionaire and have no billions. Right? But I mean, I’m just telling myself, I’m a billionaire, and I have nothing to show for. Right. So if I’m a creative, I probably should have something.


Mikayla Anderson  56:34

Yeah, I mean, think about it, like, Christian when you first came here. And we had like one of our first creative sessions, I just sat there. Or Sydney would ask you a question. I have no idea. And now, it’s XYZ. And


Christian Payton  56:51

I don’t like this and that. But I feel like that has a lot to do with like being like, confident in


Mikayla Anderson  56:56

your soul. Yeah, you feel empowered? Yeah. Like to be able to say something. And I think that, that has truth in it, though. Because in yourself, oh, gosh, yeah. Like knowing that, like, sometimes, I’m gonna say really stupid stuff. And everybody’s gonna look at me. And they’re gonna say, yeah, no. And that may be okay. But at the same time, like, if I want to do it, I can do it.


Nicholas Jones  57:26

So here’s a notic. That’s a beautiful thing. And something that I tried it and I try to practice this as much as I can. But I think it actually I think it’s so helpful. And it’s kind of what we were just talking about, where it’s like, who am I in the process of becoming, when the thing is about to happen? Because I don’t know when it may happen, but it may happen. What am I in the process of becoming. So it’s almost like a Who are you training with, so for me to mourn, to stay out of the competition of life, and to just exit from the rat race, my training ground, my training ground, or the people that I talked to are dead. They’re not here. And but these are the people that are either idolize, they inspire me. They, they say that things that I need to hear whatever it is, like whatever those mediums are, and that’s my training ground. And that’s who I’m kind of in dialogue with, before I even come talk to you. So by the time I come talk to you, one I’ve, I’ve been in, I’ve been practicing. I’ve been I’ve been in a and honestly, practice has been much harder than the game. So if I’ve been practicing what to say, Emma, if I’ve been right to say what Shakespeare and Jay Z and Kendrick, Kendrick, this is what I’ve been practicing to. So by the time I come to, and I worried about you, I know what they’ve done. And these are the people that I’m in constant dialogue where this is who inspired me, I could never compete against them. And so they takes that away from me. So by the time I hit the room, well, I have confidence. Because I’ve put in the work. Not only have I put in the work, but I put in the work against these people,


Mikayla Anderson  59:09

or yourself, which is the toughest critic of them all.


Nicholas Jones  59:14

So like I said earlier, a lot of my ideas are already under scrutiny. So and not to say that even because they’ve been under that because they’ve been I’ve been holding like, Okay, what would I ask him this? I said, Hey, how would Michael Angelo use a camera? He’s no longer here. But how would the grace we’d known use the mediums that we have today? How would they use the tools that we have? Well, they’re not here to do it. i But I’d like to, I like to play in that sort of way with the thing. So


Mikayla Anderson  59:48

could you tell us about a time that you thought your creation or idea would be perceived differently than what


Christian Payton  59:56

it was or better than what you expected it to be?


Nicholas Jones  1:00:01

all the time, all the time. A time when it was perceived differently than I thought it would be. Yeah. So I saw I do write music. And that comes out in raps and have put them out on Instagram. Just to kind of shop the content is out, this is what I call it just shot the content, are people interested in the things that I’m talking about? And whereas I’m like, that’s some harsh shit. Like that’s, nobody has said that, like, this is clever is my like, like, how did you it is. And it’s been happening for years. Like, I put out songs before, like, I’ve done a lot of stuff on the, you know, videos, whatever. Like it’s kind of out there. But most recently, yeah, it would probably be that where people, they do take to it. Some people are like, I like this. And then others are like, but you want it to be. You want people to be like, this is the next great thing. But I mean to let go of that desire. I don’t I don’t do I really want that. I just want to make the thing that I set out to make. That’s enough for me. And I think if I do that as much as I can, that that’s felt through whatever it is that I’m making. You know, I mean, you always say like people like you could tell he put his heart in there. Yeah. So it’s like, put your heart and shit. And I think the outcome is, I mean, whatever it may be, I put my heart in some.


Christian Payton  1:01:36

That’s the ultimate reward. Good. We’ll come back.


Nicholas Jones  1:01:40

We’ll do have to come back. Maybe, maybe not. It’s,


Christian Payton  1:01:45

it sounds like you’re you’re like, biggest critic, but then you’re your own biggest fan as well.


Nicholas Jones  1:01:52

Partly, so yeah, you kind of dance. Because I know I’m the prisoner with the keys. I have the keys. Yeah. So I can I can it’s I think it’s gentle criticism, gentle criticism. You know, okay, my training ground is stacked. Of course, I’m not these guys. But am I am I please Did I put my best foot forward with whatever it is that I’m doing? Okay, I’ve done that. And that’s, that’s the one part. And then it’s the, you know, getting over yourself and putting it out there sharing it on adulterated. And so yeah, definitely my biggest critic, my biggest fan, but I try not to be on either extreme is like a troll. And difference is a wonderful, especially in regards to young stuff, then you can always be surprised. Somebody should only be like, Oh, I can’t really say it, then maybe you got something to work with. That’s information. I could tighten it up. Cool. Thank you, bro. Yeah, he but thank you for the information. I contain it up. It’s all information.


Christian Payton  1:03:03

Does it depend on who it comes


Nicholas Jones  1:03:04

from? Partly, but it’s like, why do I care? It’s like, why do I care? It’s like, do I want do I am I doing this for flattery? Am I doing this for praise? Am I doing this to be shit on? I’m not really doing it for either one of those. I’m really doing it because I love to do it. If I do that. So that’s what I think about Hackman.


Christian Payton  1:03:26

Do you find that in your like in the dating aspect, you tend to date creatives because of that, like, the creative process? They tend to understand it more? Or do you just date like the average? Jane?


Nicholas Jones  1:03:41

I’m actually I’m a serial floater. You know, a serial floater? So I never actually commit most times and when I have committed it’s always been it’s just been the most loving that I found. I don’t look for you could be whatever, so long as you love me.


Christian Payton  1:04:07

That’s not my, I don’t know. I feel like when I was not a creative, I don’t even categorize myself as one but like, well, you should. My field of work now is like, more creative than what I’ve ever pretty much done. So now I’m more of a creative but I would always tend to like date artists. But then like that creative process would always get in the way because I’m like I just like you’re not talking to me. I’m like you’re not communicating. But it’s all it was always because in the middle of like the current like creating or them making whatever it is that they were working on at the time. They can’t let that get away from them. So it’s better that’s tough.


Nicholas Jones  1:04:50

It is but I think those relationships I think relationships like that right? Is one a relationship is a coming together of opposites. It really is. I’m not you, you’re not me.


Mikayla Anderson  1:05:04



Christian Payton  1:05:04

free. Amen.


Mikayla Anderson  1:05:06

I mean, man,


Nicholas Jones  1:05:08

like, I’m not you and you’re not me. There’s I mean, that’s problematic from Joe. But there is something that I think love could love could transform this, if we, if we’re willing to put in the word love can transform this, or it can resolve the differences. And so I think the artist has to learn how to put someone before himself and what he’s doing. Because I mean, there’s an arrogance, there’s overconfidence, that can come with that there’s a lot of control there, I mean, one, one to control things, a lot of that is involved. And then, you know, you have the one part where, but it but it’s like, give me your attention, give me a time like you, you may place yourself in a position where you want to feel like you’re more valuable than the thing that they love. Because, oh, well, you do love me. So I think some of that plays in that dynamic. And really, a relationship is going to call, I think most is going to call for you to be something other than what you want to be or develop into someone other than like, who you naturally want to be. And I think that’s when the like the love is like, you know, I’m actually give you that time to do that. And then he’s like, Well, I’m gonna put this down, I’m gonna spend that time with you. It’s kind of what you’re looking for. But they force that you can’t try to force it as somebody sounds miserable. It is loves miserable. It’s not isn’t me as in like, you told us? Because I never. I mean, I’m not not. There’s elements of


Mikayla Anderson  1:06:40

so much demise, yeah. Like, every single day is, I don’t want to sit here and tell myself, I’m a prisoner. It’s so much compromised, because you see this person and you admire them so much. But sometimes they just do things and you want to bash your head into a wall. Or there’s Yeah. Or I do things when I know he wants to bash my head and all wall. And it’s just like, they do things and you know that it makes them happy. Or they’re doing it for the betterment, betterment of both of you, too. And so you let him or her do that. And I mean, even with like, Trevor, I’ll go home. And I’ll just be like, so stressed out of my mind. Some days, I’ll be like, All there is this project, like, XYZ, like we got out of this session, and I’m just completely like, barebone right now, because every single idea that I thought was absolutely great, got shot down. And he doesn’t know that feeling. And he won’t, most likely, because he’s very analytical, and he’s in a very analytical field. And knowing that, like, I ain’t gonna go sit around, and just be like that to be like that. Like, he knows that this really sucks for her. I’ll listen, but I’m not gonna, like, be like, to tough it out. I’m going to be there for you. And I’m going to be able to, like tell you like, I’m here and give you what you need to be. Okay.


Christian Payton  1:08:31

So, that being said, her saying a creative, but I mean, artistic being more artistic? Do you guys feel like you’re just more naturally emotional, and compassionate? Not being like a man or a woman just like,


Mikayla Anderson  1:08:45

Oh, absolutely, I do. And I think a lot of it is because we pour so much of what we do unto what we love. And so like, I’ll admit it, like, there’s certain things and certain things we’ve worked on here that I’m just naturally more passionate about. Because I love their mission, and I can see they’re passionate about it. And then I pour more myself into it, because I know. That’s what I want to do. And I want to help you more than this thing. Because this means a lot to you, you mean a lot to me as a person. And so it’s more elevated in that way. That makes sense.


Nicholas Jones  1:09:36

It was I mean, I like I’ve had the joy of being able to work with you. And I mean, I think that’s evident that’s been evident and a lot of the calls you would take and all that. And sometimes and you know, going back to the left brain, right brain thing, I think trying to use our whole brain and discern that moments when to use it, is the fact that you have an analytical husband or one who thinks in logic and who’s Probably sharpened can just cut straight through things. It’s one admire and that in your partner, but also like we were creatures of we’re the greatest imitators. That’s how we learn. So it’s like taking that and maybe not lean is so much on passion when I’m working in creative work. Because I’m here to be a god, ultimately, how about I use my analytics and knowledge that I’ve learned from my spouse, I can learn a greater appreciation for how it is that he comes to conflict, right, you know, to resolve and things. So it’s just shifting to knowing when to shift, because it’s not like you’re always called to be passionate about everything. And it’s something that I had to learn, like, I don’t have to be my natural, my tendency is to be like, you know, I’m shitty. And here’s why. Just so we can be on like, common ground. And we can actually have a real conversation that’s now just kind of what I want to do, just so we’re not playing around with each other and trying to, you know, and so, but now, it’s just like, well, you know, let me just ask you more about me. And the more you share it, because I don’t mind sharing those things, the more you share, all in, the more Yeah, I’ll put in some more. And I’ll put in more and allow it to unfold in that way. But really, trying to use as much as your whole brain as possible in any given regard. Because even being creative, like it’s not always, like when I sit in I write stuff, like I said, very analytical process. It’s a different sort of logic applied, but it’s not just mathematical logic that exists. I’m saying like, is a different logic apply? And still logical, you know, but it’s an I have to analyze like, okay, who’s listening? Who’s the audience? Who’s that there’s still that element, you know, something that you learn in a marketing agency, you’d learn? who’s listening? Who’s probably going to listen to this? What are they gonna be going through that takes some analytics and take some, some thinking outside, thinking outside oneself. So is knowing when to apply it and where, and becoming what you need to be for the situation.


Christian Payton  1:11:59

That takes a lot of humbling yourself.


Nicholas Jones  1:12:01

That’s the secret to life. Life is humbling. And the more you think that you’re bigger than it well, what’s gonna hurt.


Mikayla Anderson  1:12:10

Yeah, it’s definitely hard being with a logical person when you’re in that emotional state, but it’s really good. Yeah, because you get right on stupid, because if he’s over here, crying with me, I just be emotional mess all the time?


Christian Payton  1:12:28

I don’t know. I think it just depends on the day. Yeah, definitely. For me, it just depends on the day. Maybe. I mean, especially like, with the whole creative process, because again, I just said that I don’t really consider myself to be like the two of you. So would you say that you’re more like you lean more towards like, I’m no, you’re like, both when it comes to like, creating, there isn’t like one more than the other, like, create, I mean, emotion versus logic.


Nicholas Jones  1:12:59

Yeah, pour into what I’m doing, I pour into what I’d like a pour everything that I have, so be it. Whoever I am, I’m trying to pour it out. One is friend. And then you know, and I can go back and learn, I can go back and re gather and I can go back and receive, you know, from life. So I tried to pour it all.


Christian Payton  1:13:19

So I think that was


Mikayla Anderson  1:13:20

like draining. It is it is


Nicholas Jones  1:13:23

but I think for me to run away from like, experience, I would never be able to relate to you, you anybody know, to like not be drained by my experiences or not. I mean, one not having a place to put them not giving us a place to live, like not giving it a something to be like the experience like because otherwise I’m just harboring it if I haven’t dealt with it healed from it. It’s just there. So I may be drained. But as that’s a that’s a lot better than being disturbed. At least for me.


Christian Payton  1:14:09

I think that’s beautiful. I’m just not there yet. And that’s fine. I mean, like, I might never be there.


Nicholas Jones  1:14:16

I mean, it’s, again, as if you want to this is we never have control. We don’t have control of anything. That’s if you want to be free from anxiety, Lego control. Boom, you know what, I don’t control shit. Anyway, you didn’t control how the sun rose, you didn’t control where the wind blows,


Christian Payton  1:14:32

none of it. We don’t control whether we wake up or not. Boom,


Nicholas Jones  1:14:36

I can’t control the person in the driveway I can get in your mind and make you make that right turn before I get there. I can’t do that. It’s not too much I can do I can make you talk to me the way that I really want to be talked to I can’t do none of that. This is reality. So for me to move in it as if I’m gonna get you to talk to me the way that I want to when I become a different person pretty likely at that point. So


Mikayla Anderson  1:15:00

leave us with some words of wisdom. I don’t have any.


Christian Payton  1:15:05

You just gave us so many of them. Yeah. I don’t have any. Okay, well then who will leave us with


Mikayla Anderson  1:15:12

a piece of advice.


Nicholas Jones  1:15:18

Um, don’t be too proud to heal. Don’t be too proud to heal. There is a lot of. And I say that because in my experience, I’ve always felt like I’m supposed to be tough. Like, like, tough. I’m not supposed to feel like, like, like I wrong, this person or this person wronged me, and I’m acting like this stuff don’t hurt. It’s just not true hurts. And I need to I need to acknowledge that it hurts in order to heal. And the process of becoming who you are as a, I think it’s a healing process. You know, and people can grow wings.


Christian Payton  1:16:10

That is a fact. You know, I like that. The process of becoming who you are, is a healing process. I like that alive.


Nicholas Jones  1:16:20

We get beat the fuck up early in life


Mikayla Anderson  1:16:24

is not a fun time.


Nicholas Jones  1:16:26

But it’s a real thing. You get beat up until you like, you know what? This is no longer gonna beat me up. And I’m not I’m not about to beat myself up over it.


Mikayla Anderson  1:16:34



Nicholas Jones  1:16:38

It’s a beautiful, it’s a painful, beautiful process. But I think there are two sides of the same coin.


Christian Payton  1:16:42

They have to coexist.


Nicholas Jones  1:16:43

Hey. Yeah, thank you guys for having me. I really do appreciate it.


Christian Payton  1:16:51

Now, do you want to leave the people with your social media accounts? I’m gonna find you.


Nicholas Jones  1:16:56

You can find me on Instagram at Nicholas. Nobody, YouTube just Nick Jones.


Christian Payton  1:17:03

So you’re gonna release your music on Instagram and YouTube?


Nicholas Jones  1:17:06

I’ll put the clip out on Instagram, YouTube, and it’ll be on Spotify on the other stuff. Okay. So and it’s a real song. It’s a real song. And like I said, it’s, you know, we have the ability to transform our experiences, so long as we’re to acknowledge, you know, what’s involved with the experience? And if we share with others, you I mean, it’s just like, I mean, how do you think? Let’s say Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, like, Oh, I feel that I feel that way too. That’s, that’s how I get worried. Like, Oh, I feel that way too. I’m gonna follow you. I felt that way too. I’ve been through the same thing. I’m gonna follow you. Mm hmm. So we are so


Christian Payton  1:17:46

I’m excited to hear it.


Nicholas Jones  1:17:49

Thank you, Nicholas Jones. Thank you guys for having me. It’s been it’s been amazing. I really appreciate it. Bye

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