Episode 31 – Playing the Game of Life: It’s a Painful, Yet Beautiful Process with Nicholas Jones

Show Notes

• Who is Nicholas Jones? (1:16)
• Becoming the person that I’m made to be (7:28)
• Sharing my truest insights about the world (10:41)
• Bringing your individual talents (24:48)
• The story of Basil the Great (35:14)
• Treat your neighbor as being yourself (38:53)
• Who are you fighting with? (42:26)
• Learning to deal with the issues within oneself (46:54)
• Making things is a solution for something (51:26)
• Who am I in the process of becoming, when “the thing” is about to happen (57:39)
• Don’t be too proud to heal (1:15:18)

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Transcript

Team RMG  00:00

Hey guys, welcome back to the young creatives podcast. In today’s episode, we sit and speak with Nick Jones a 29 year old videographer located in the Shreveport Bowsher area. And today’s episode, Nick gives insight on how he was able to embrace change and how you can also while becoming a student to life, stay tuned, because you don’t want to miss this episode. Here at revisione marketing group, our team of young professionals get it created with youth in mind, we strive to educate, inspire and promote authentic creativity across all job fields. This is young creatives. Thank you for joining us on Yeah, it was a good time. I couldn’t say no. Could have been.

 

Nicholas Jones  00:39

No, I really I wanted to do this. Yeah. It’s nice to see everybody again. It really is. Yeah.

 

Christian Payton  00:47

Crying. Hey, let’s see everybody again. Like you worked with Sydney in

 

Mikayla Anderson  00:53

Michaela. Yeah, Michael. Yeah. Michael, welcome back. We’re super excited to have you on the podcast. So for people who don’t know you, or are just tuning in, who is Nick Jones? It’s a very simple answer. Nobody know.

 

Nicholas Jones  01:16

It wasn’t a that’s a that’s a. It’s not tough, because there’s always like weird saying who you are. So I am not the things that I do. But the best way for me to gauge this question is to tell you what I do. I’m currently a student at the DMI Institute. I’m in I’m on the road to becoming a certified animator and VFX artists. Why? I coach a youth Well, I’m assistant coach on a youth basketball team. Oh, that’s new. Yeah. I’m a bass singer and acquire. And I do freelance video editing. One thing that I felt like I knew about before, before, like we got into the conversation, you’ve been like, what’s new? What’s new? And he’s telling you all these things and didn’t mention any of the things? Well, yeah, I figured there was a podcast about to happen soon as I wanted to. Yeah. Yes. Do keep it juicy. Yeah. Keep real authenticity into the podcast. Well, that’s interesting. Yeah. Okay. That mean, these are all new things. For me. I think it hit me. Hit me like a couple weeks ago, I was just thinking, I’m like, man, and every aspect of my life right now, I’m a student, and I’m learning. And I would have never told you that, yeah, I’ll join a choir or Yeah, sure. Sign me up to be an animator or man, I want to coach basketball. But these things are kind of happened. And so is, again, I think, part of the reason why it’s tough for me to say who I am, because, you know, I was doing something completely different. Two years ago, before moving to Louisiana, and two years after being here, I’m doing something completely different. So it’s a it’s an ever unfolding process. And it’s been fun. I like that. You said that. You’re not like what you do. Yeah.

 

Christian Payton  03:09

Because we haven’t heard that response yet. Well, if I tell you who I am.

 

Nicholas Jones  03:14

I started. Turn it up. No. I really do.

 

Mikayla Anderson  03:21

Yeah, no, that’s exciting. Congratulations. Thank you. It’s fun. Awesome. Are you doing that with like, church and stuff? Are you did you find like some friends? Yeah. So I have really good friends at the church that I attend.

 

Nicholas Jones  03:36

They’re really like family. I know. People say they like oh, they’re like family, but they are really like family. And yeah, I just randomly I like to, we have some wonderful hymns. And I couldn’t help but sing them. And someone came and grabbed me. They’re like, hey, well, we need some more male singers. And so I’ve been learning how to read music, which is like learning a new language. And that along with and this is all happening that you know, within the church, and my friend Mark is he he’s a parent to his boys play on the team. And so he’s just like, Hey, there, you know, YMCA ball is coming up. And would you mind helping me out to coach the guys? Oh, Kosta boys. And I was like, yeah. So it’s all kind of happening within that. So it’s been a you know, it’s cool. It’s really cool.

 

Christian Payton  04:28

So in the span of, I don’t know how long this is, like all happening at once. Or it seems like it is all

 

Nicholas Jones  04:37

slow, slow building, slow building and was weird about it. It’s not weird, actually. It’s I find myself doing the things that I’ve always loved, which is basketball, and sending. So it’s like coming back to you. It’s coming back, you know, because I think I might be ready for it because I think sometimes we can live in such a way you were like, people say all the time like follow your passion. Follow your passion and Sometimes it can be informed by so many things and not necessarily one that’s deeper than you know, you know, one that’s like, no, I really love doing this. And if there were no societal rules, I would do this all the time. And no one would have to pay me for it. But we are we play the game of life. And so I think a lot of this stuff is just informed. So for me to be like, Hey, I would love to be a coach. Haven’t been away from the game of basketball for some time. It was like, I would love to be able to share what I’ve learned, where I messed up and where I’ve seen success. And I’m getting a chance to do that. And there’s no money tied to it, which is kind of cool and sank in like a nickel, you’ll join a choir. Well, no, I’m cuckoo for that. And my guys would laugh at me. So yeah, it’s just things are kind of coming back. And I’m, I would like to think that I’m living from the heart these days, which is so completely different gauge on life. And so

 

Christian Payton  06:03

that sounds magical. It is. It is, but

 

Nicholas Jones  06:06

it’s so simple. It’s so simple.

 

Christian Payton  06:09

Is it sounds Oh, it is it is very simple. But then like to actually walk it out and do it. It’s not.

 

Nicholas Jones  06:15

No, no. It’s like walking through fire, oh, sidewalk, the fire because people you know, of course, they’re going to be judged miss, you’re going to judge yourself to, you’re going to judge yourself based on the judgments that you perceive other people may have or the thing that you’re doing or pursuing. And I think that’s just that’s part of like, finding oneself when they are not arrived. But when you are living as a human being is. People want you to live in a way that they deem that fits you are there that fit their view of you, and your mold of you and their mold of you. Exactly. So we have a real bad tendency to try to create others in our own image and likeness. So

 

Christian Payton  07:02

yeah, you said that you’re not from here? Where are you from?

 

Nicholas Jones  07:06

Originally from Little Rock, Arkansas,

 

Christian Payton  07:07

how’d you end up here?

 

Nicholas Jones  07:09

How do I end up here? It was a long story. But trying to see how I can make this short without leaving out some things that may be useful. Let’s see. I was doing YouTube. For six years, I did it full time as an influencer and as a video editor and sort of like a creative God amongst my friends, or my friends at the time. And we did that for some time. It was successful. And I think in that while I was in that world, it was like, there’s something there’s something missing there. I had those moments like, oh, there’s something missing, like everything is going right, why am I not happy? And I started to seek that out. I wanted to seek that out, like what is what is going to help me feel fulfilled because ultimately, that’s what I want. I want to be fulfilled in life and I want to feel, not feel I don’t have to feel it. I want to become the person that I want to be not even that I’m really made to be.

 

Christian Payton  08:19

So you have the desire to be like it’s just there in you.

 

Nicholas Jones  08:22

Yeah, yeah. So am I seeking that? Just weird trials and tribulations that kind of reveal some things about the world and about myself, truly. And in order for me to make some changes, I needed to be in a new setting. And I have a wonderful family in mendon Louisiana who were my aunt at the time, we were having conversations about a lot of the things that I was going through at the time because it seemed like everything went wrong everything and I lost friends during that time. I was running route which you know, you would like to think that you have so many friends but when life gets real for you and you’re like man, I gotta change something and then you get a response like well why change? It’s like oh god I never knew that you actually like that. So then you start to reveal themselves and I have family that I was talking to my aunt like I said and she was going through similar similar awakening like something’s off and it was right when the pandemic and so after talking with her she’s like well baby you know you can always come home as long but yeah, yeah. So I did I stay with them and matam Louisiana has been the most healing but short answer. I ended up here seeking the good the beautiful in a true and see how that see and seeing how my seeking that would look in the world. So Yeah Louise out as part of my journey and so they’re brought to you to Sri for brought me to Sri for

 

Christian Payton  10:07

okay sweared No It most definitely. Yeah. Um, so you did a YouTube as an influencer? Yeah. So have you always been a creative?

 

Nicholas Jones  10:21

Always been a creative? Yeah. And not in the sense that I think sometimes I’m in the, I guess I’m in the process of trying to retrieve what creative means because man has always been creative. So

 

Christian Payton  10:38

what is what is creative mean to you?

 

Nicholas Jones  10:41

Um For me, it’s a means of sharing my truest insights about the world, or my experience in the world. And my outlet, I’ve looked at the questions. And for me, my outlets are well, how do you know, saying I’m here,

 

Christian Payton  11:10

thank you.

 

Nicholas Jones  11:14

Part of my outlet is like music is writing music, and just writing in general. But yeah, so what is being creative mean to me? Yes. Is really sharing my truest insights about my experience in life.

 

Christian Payton  11:34

How long have you been writing music?

 

Nicholas Jones  11:36

How long? I would say since I was my mom tells me the story. She says when I was about eight years old. She found my composition notebook. And I had written down a I had a few points. A few like lyrics written down a couple a couple verses written in there. And I’ve always been a I’ve always taken two words. Because for as a shy kid, and as one who shy Yeah, yeah. As a shy kid.

 

Christian Payton  12:13

I was. Do you think that you could be pickup? Ashley?

 

Mikayla Anderson  12:19

Absolutely. I do. Seems like an outgoing person. Oh.

 

Nicholas Jones  12:27

I mean, it depends on the day. But Bashar just me reserve, because I think sometimes I think most of us can be that way. Right? We reserve certain parts of ourselves. Because we feel like the parties aren’t necessarily ready or open to really hear about our experience as we really experienced it. And so as someone who has a desire to let that out, it was always like, well, I probably should just shut up, you know, or something like that. But always, that was my earliest, it was eight years old, eight years old. And numbers weren’t my thing. I mean, we started like, you know, when you start to learn, like the like, well, here’s the digital clock, but we want to teach you how to read analog clocks. So you got to read the hands on. I was like,

 

Christian Payton  13:15

I’m interested.

 

Nicholas Jones  13:16

I’m interested in numbers that look like letters. Yeah. Just give me the words, and I just want to keep the words. But yeah, nothing has really never been my thing. But I found that just been having a desire to write and really having the desire to want to commit to communicate. It was the only way that I could, you know, do

 

Christian Payton  13:40

this. So how do you get into videography? Or when did you get into video?

 

Nicholas Jones  13:45

It was right when I moved to Fort Smith. So after dropping out of college, I ended up in Little Rock for some time to end to work. And I had taken a position of Fayetteville, Arkansas. And while I was there, I was working some crazy hours, I worked some crazy jobs. I was a very route, I ran a bread route in Northwest Arkansas. And then I worked as a it’s called a DME technician. But all it is, is you know when people go to in home hospice, so instead of going to a facility, they do hospice and home at their during their later days. And so I was the guy who took the equipment to them. So if they needed a hospital bed, I take it to him set it up, they needed oxygen tanks, I took it to him set that up. So I did that. And that was the two jobs that I ran for a year, but I was like working independently, and I’m maybe 2021 at the time doing like Big Boy work that I wasn’t necessarily prepared for. Yeah. And so all I wanted to do is run down to talk with my friends about a lot of the stuff that I was experiencing, or to just be free from it. And they were doing YouTube at the time and they had been doing it I think the time have maybe plateau for some time at about 500,000 subscribers, so it was already a thing. But me coming in, I was just the awkward guy who was probably going to say the inappropriate thing. And, and challenge some some thoughts and ideas. And the main guy whose name is Trey he Suica. He ended up he saw the potential and how we could think amongst one another, and the differences in thought. And so he was he showed me some of those early things around the video because I wanted to be involved. But I didn’t have the skills. And so he would just show me things here and there. And as we grew together, and as the channels grew, we would do more things. So we did three podcasts, we did three subsequent channels under the main channel, and all of them requires something different, or a different sort of creative. And that’s how I got started. So ASAN is mostly self taught. So a little bit of guidance from what he had learned, who taught himself and then he shared what he knew with me. And it’s been self teaching, since then, and then I got here and it really kind of evolved. So with

 

Christian Payton  16:17

3d animation, what like was, what spiked that interest,

 

Nicholas Jones  16:23

it was actually curious as to what it was one of the early projects, so one of the, the clients that you guys worked with, they were, of course, one to add more value to the, the, the business that they’re serving wants to add more value, they were like, hey, know, your video guy, but would you mind trying to animate this, you know, if it don’t work, who but you know, have a look at it and see if it can be done. And I took a look at it. And it was doable, did it and it was used. And so I think it’s when the my peak. That’s when my interest was at that point. But I knew it was like difficult work, of course is difficult. It’s just a lot to learn. But that’s when it started.

 

Mikayla Anderson  17:14

That’s so cool.

 

Christian Payton  17:18

You said earlier that like as someone that wanted to communicate, but people weren’t necessarily wanting to hear, I guess that you just chose to you chose to opt out of, I guess conversations and then that’s how you kind of got into writing music.

 

Nicholas Jones  17:37

Writing music. Yeah. I always say that. I feel like people listen to their people listen better if it’s put in a song. And that’s why we get nursery rhymes. And that’s why it’s a, b, c, d, instead A, B, yeah, you know, it’s just a different or it hits you. It touches you differently, and haven’t been affected in that way. Like I grew up on r&b and soul music. The first piece of music I heard was temptations, the temptations and the Five Heartbeats. Now these are guys who’ve lived hell of a hell of a life. And a lot of heartbroken music. And this is a lot of music that I was exposed to. So I had a sense of my one sensitivity to music. And, and that it was okay to be vulnerable. And this is how some people do it. And so yeah, I can’t really right. Am I Am I so your question? I’m on track because sometimes, okay. So yeah, it was well, writing music, like how can I? How can I really tell you because I don’t really think I can tell you the way that I would love you to hear it, just in normal conversation, not this thing. So.

 

Christian Payton  18:53

Okay, and so with that, he Okay, so we’re talking just this conversation? Do you feel like you’re more of a direct or indirect person in the way that you communicate?

 

Nicholas Jones  19:02

Direct? I think I’m, well, it depends. It depends on the situation, you know, sometimes directness could be more it can come off as harsh. So if one thing especially working in as like an independent operator, in the bread rail, and during, you know, in the hospice field, one thing you learn is to listen first. And you gauge it by that and you say by direct it’s not. It’s just say what needs to be said or say nothing at all, you know, and Communication Always is always going to be that, like, say what needs to be said or say nothing at all.

 

Christian Payton  19:44

Does that affect your creative process?

 

Nicholas Jones  19:50

No, I can be very direct and imaginative waves and imagine it’s a ways when I’m reading music, I find I can be very direct and again, And I don’t I don’t know how people think about the but words register my mind all sorts of ways. So can I ask you, how do you? How do you mean it like? Well, you asked me the question, but I guess I’m like, How do you mean it direct? Give me a situation, you know,

 

Christian Payton  20:17

a situation or an example. To have an example. Okay, so my question was, do you think your direct or indirect person that depends on the situation? And does that? How does that how does that play out in your creative process? Is that a better question? Oh, yeah.

 

Nicholas Jones  20:35

Okay. Yeah, I’m pretty direct in my creative process. And I think that’s sort of where people can view me as like disagreeable, as disagreeable or maybe, to do just don’t listen, or he’s he’s, he’s, he’s a know it all. Or he’s a picker. Yeah. Yeah, I can get stubborn. And. But I think a lot of, you know, I think the missing isn’t maybe it’s not missing, but part of the creative process and what is to be produced from the or what’s the commodity, that process is the belief that is really the belief like, I believe in this. And I think, I mean, you hear it in different if, if you listen to some music, you can tell was, who’s actually real about what it is that they’re saying and who’s not. And I think the same goes with, with a video, you know what I mean? Like, or something that calls for creative and ideas and all that. And I will be stubborn in that, because I’m wanting to scrutinize a lot of the things that come out of my own head. So I’ve done I’ve been in dialogue with people who’ve already proven themselves as creatives, not because I want to be them. But these are the people that scrutinize what it is that I think is good or great, or whatever it is, right. So one, it keeps me it gives me a real gauge on things, you know, and sometimes it’s hard to. Sometimes it’s hard to not explain that. But to do that in a kind way. But the creative process is. So a lot of things it’s a roller coaster is it can be violent. It can be you have ebbs and flows. It’s a lot of that so and I don’t hide from it. And I is I don’t know how to warm people up to be a part of the process as it unfolds. without me being who I am, which is naturally disagree.

 

Mikayla Anderson  22:37

No, no, there was like times when we started like our first pod cast here, where it was like a complete roller coaster. Like some days were like super good. Some days were like, We’re done after 10 minutes, because it was really hard. And I think it’s because we were all passionate about it. I ain’t gonna say it was Nick’s idea. He’s gonna say, no, no, it was his idea.

 

Christian Payton  23:08

No, we’ve actually said that on the last episode of entre network like episode 12. I believe Cindy’s like the idea of the podcast came from Nick Jones. This is Nick Jones.

 

Nicholas Jones  23:21

Hey, Nicolas, Nicolas Jenner, as you know,

 

Christian Payton  23:25

really invite

 

Mikayla Anderson  23:27

when we were all locked in a house, apartment, whatever it was last February.

 

Nicholas Jones  23:33

And we talked about that, like that whole, what the podcast could be what it would be the thoughts, like when it was done over online meetings. And not everybody was happy. Not everybody was happy. Most of the ideas was scrapped. So if you had one, that’s just what it was, if you didn’t have one, that’s just what it was. But that didn’t matter. Because the end goal is the only thing that we really care about. So whatever, whatever the feelings involve, in whatever, you know, whatever is involved in the process is just involved, but it’s all leading up to the thing. Right, so So yeah, it doesn’t hinder my creative process. But sometimes it can hinder me from playing well with others. And that means that if this is what you want to do, well, you know, you don’t have that skill. Sometimes I’m overconfident I think I can just pick up anything and learn it right away and do it so sometimes it calls for me to humble myself and reach out to people and say hey, well you know we’re you’re really good at this you’re really good at this would you mind helping me with that and the more I will allow for that to happen the better and and I think the the group if the more the group can understand that we all bring our individual talents. I cannot compete with you because I don’t have to write because I’m born to I’m not born to do it. I’m it’s not It’s not me versus you. It’s like, what are we about to do? You know, and the more I kind of stay in that mindset, you know, a lot of things can happen. But

 

Christian Payton  25:12

I’m not to mess up a quote, like I always do. But this morning, I was on social media. And there is a post that said, when you’ve made it to the top, whatever that means, you see that people are more collaborative. And then people at the bottom are the ones that are competing with each other. You don’t have to compete with each other, or with one another.

 

Nicholas Jones  25:33

And two, two brains are always better than one.

 

Mikayla Anderson  25:37

That’s my favorite quote, you ever say? He would say that every single day? And like, sometimes I just feel like, Yeah, whatever, shut up. But like, real? Like, if there’s one thing I took away from Nicholas Jones,

 

Christian Payton  25:51

hey, two brains are better than one.

 

Nicholas Jones  25:53

Yeah. And I got it from Lil Wayne. Love that. I’m saying I think but that’s why I’ll be telling you listen to the lyrics, because sometimes you’ll get something that is the ability for you to transform something, no matter what it is. And I think that’s why it’s important to get, you know, to have conversations like like you all do, and get the beliefs and the perspectives out there. And at some point, you’ll find some point something shows itself as you how do you say, as the Oh, no, this is where we all agree, this is where we all it’s this thing, and only we could make it that truth for Yeah, and only us could have created it in this way. So I think that’s there there in Lost originality in the real creative when people actually collab. Yeah,

 

Christian Payton  26:51

I like that. I never thought about it in that aspect, or even trying to visualize it.

 

Mikayla Anderson  26:58

I got a question for you, neck. Hey. So I don’t know if you remember this, when you were asking me how girls think of things. And I was asking you about how guys think of doing little questions here and there. But it was like actually times that like, it made sense. And it was just like, because I would get so frustrated with the way that Trevor was doing things. And I would ask that I’ll be like, is this normal? Like his, like D guys actually do this? And he’d be like, yeah, like, this is like, it makes sense to me. Because an XYZ. And when Christian thought of this podcast episode, I knew that.

 

Nicholas Jones  27:43

So I do remember some of those conversations. I remember one distinctly I’ll sit in the chair, like I’m like, whatever. And then use probably over here we do. We had a few of those. Yeah, I do remember that. I do remember,

 

Mikayla Anderson  27:56

good times. It was so weird. This episode. We like our main idea was like to kind of talk about guys and girls perspectives and how they differ. And so do you find it difficult to understand women? Why or why not?

 

Nicholas Jones  28:18

No. Because, I mean, women are people, they’re human beings just like me, just like men, human beings. We’re not two different creatures. I mean, we are but we have more than similar. I mean, we have more in common than not, I think. So why? Because, you know, women are human beings. You know what I mean? Like I, and I think I was able to learn this during just in like, maybe high school, maybe, or junior high. And because I was the guy like, I was the guy who write you a letter, if I liked you, if I thought she was cute, I was gonna write you a letter. I was gonna do a lot of those. But I mean, you know, some rejection came with that, but I didn’t mind rejection. And I say that to say that what I learned during those years is that women, I mean, the, the girls at that time, they like that, you know, no matter what was happening, you know, like, Oh, I’m gonna date the popular guy. I’m gonna date that Doug, I’m gonna date this guy and go, they didn’t stop. I was always just like a regular guy. Never mind it been a regular guy. And, and I was who I was, and I didn’t, I didn’t, I couldn’t. I couldn’t make anything. I didn’t smile all that much during those years. But I was I could be. I was just myself as much as I could be. And what I found is that I mean, we just, I mean, we want the same things. We just want to be accepted. We just want to be understood. We just want to be encouraged like it’s a different I don’t think it’s any different. I mean, Of course, there’s some differences. But for the most part, yeah, I’m not trying to understand women, I’m trying to understand the person. I’m not trying to understand women in general, like you’re a unique person, you’re a unique person, I might have a better shot at trying to understand. Just you.

 

Christian Payton  30:18

Yeah, okay, we’re gonna have to, like link your social media, because this is gonna be good. That’s good. A lot of people are gonna be interested in that concept. I haven’t. I’ve never heard that before. Because I feel like I fall in the category of trying to understand like,

 

Mikayla Anderson  30:35

men. So we all go wrong, because there’s just like a general stereotype like, All men are the same. All women are the same. Well, I think

 

Christian Payton  30:43

there are certain aspects where like, men think, like a man would think this way. And a woman would think this way, just naturally, those truths like those just hold to be true.

 

Nicholas Jones  30:55

That is, I mean, it might help to watch like some male comedians, because we still have some representatives who are out there. And they’re honest about the male experience, like where, you know, they say, Me, you know, you think what, we don’t think logic first, logic isn’t always first. It’s not. What’s first,

 

Christian Payton  31:18

what’s first. Never mind boobs. That’s interesting, because one of the questions that we were going to touch on was, um, men tend to think with like more of the left side of their brain and versus women who think with the right side, and like, the left side is supposed to represent like logic aichele analytical things, and then the right side is more like,

 

Mikayla Anderson  31:41

creative freedom. Yeah. And like, just motion. Yeah, emotion and creative freedom overall. And the biggest thing that I was learning when I researched this was, men tend to think front to back. So they’re either on the analytical side, or just a creative side, when women tend to think left to right, so that’s why they can think both ways faster.

 

Christian Payton  32:15

But instead are better multitaskers as well. handle more better than a man would? Because of the way that they think, with the brain?

 

Nicholas Jones  32:27

Well, I mean, okay, so I don’t know how to answer that question. I know, I won’t say I have a real definite answer.

 

Christian Payton  32:33

Do you feel like you like, like, you fit in one of those molds. I try to

 

Nicholas Jones  32:37

use my whole brain as much as possible. Yo says like, amen. And I mean, sometimes you reason within yourself, and you say, hey, well, this little s logic here. Yeah, you know, be loved. And I think, but to say earlier, like, I think women do have a natural, you’re just naturally more compassionate, naturally, more loving, naturally more affectionate. Not saying that men aren’t but of course, we’re just trying to kind of train that this is the way guys are. And this is the way women are. are conditioned. But I mean, we’ve had conversations. So you have I mean, you’re sharp. You don’t think emotionally I don’t I’ve never called you thinking emotionally.

 

Christian Payton  33:27

Yeah, it is more of a like a logical thing for me. Yeah.

 

Nicholas Jones  33:31

So

 

Mikayla Anderson  33:32

I caught her catch it emotionally. Yeah.

 

Nicholas Jones  33:35

I mean, I like it to happen. We all get there. Like, you know, men are emotional, too. I mean, we’re like, we’re like, hold. I mean, trying to be whole people. Yeah.

 

Mikayla Anderson  33:49

So let me ask you this. How do you think that affects, like, men and women in the job field? Like, do you think traditionally, men are gonna have like higher ranking jobs than women because they think more logically, or like, if, let’s say, like, with a woman, there’ll be more likely to go on, like health care or something because they’re more compassionate and emotional, and they take care of people like that.

 

Nicholas Jones  34:23

I mean, it depends on how the woman view herse