Episode 27 – Making ‘It’ Work with Josh Warren

Show Notes

Welcome back to the young+creatives podcast! This week Mikayla sits down with Josh Warren, the owner of Surface Wave Media, LLC.
In this episode of young+creatives we cover several key topics includin
  • Who is Josh Warren? (5:09)
  • Doing it for people that I care about (16:18)
  • What makes your business unique? (24:53)
  • Considering everything that I do to be art (28:12)
  • Being consistent is the gist of it (35:24)
  • Competition exists in any field (40:32)
  • Outsourcing, isn’t a bad thing (49:10)
  • The hardest part about solo-preneurship (53:15)
  • My advice to someone wanting to start their own business (59:56)
  • Getting through creative ruts (1:07:38)
Connect with Josh:
  • Follow him on Instagram: .instagram.com/surfacewavemedia/
  • Follow him on Facebook: facebook.com/surfacewavemedia
  • Follow him on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joshdanielwarren/
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Team RMG  00:00

Here at revisione marketing group, our team of young professionals get it created with youth in mind we strive to educate, inspire and promote authentic creativity across all job fields. This is young creative.


Mikayla Anderson  00:12

Alright guys, welcome back to the young creatives podcast. My name is Michaela Anderson. Again, I want to introduce you guys to a very special friend that I actually met through networking at SRI foreclosure. This is Joshua Warren. And I actually met him through BNI. Which do you want us to tell us a little bit about yourself and what that is,


Josh Warren  00:38

I am a guy that owns a company. Right? Okay, so and I’m in a BNI group. So what BNI is, and I’m gonna be really vague and not tell you guys what I do until I tell you what BNI is first. So a BNI is, is it’s a it’s a networking group, it’s a business networking group literally stands for business networking International. With that being said, you have in each chapter your chapters all over the world, which is awesome. In and of itself, and you can refer people from chapter to chapter outside chapters and chapters, whatever you want to do, where that’s concerned, but specifically, within most major cities, you have been groups and groups like you have multiple so like even a town like Shreveport Bowsher where we have roughly I mean, if you’re counting both the parishes I think we have roughly 350 to 4000 people in a start Louisiana. So, with that, again, with that being said, we have I think four chapters right now. So the potential for growth with really any kind of business is like astronomical whenever you whenever you think about the fact that the rules in BNI especially within chapters not especially but this is always that is with the chapters you can only only one businesses represented one type of businesses represented per chapter so so I do photo and video and for business, a business and personal weddings, all that kind of stuff, but I have the video seat. And there’s actually a woman in there that has a photo seat. And even though I do photo, the cool thing is that mean her can collaborate. And you know, say if she has it, we did an event the other day named Jen Wasserman. And she’s actually got she got way more skin in the game than I do. She’s been doing it over 20 years. So I mean, she’s, there’s a lot I can learn from her. So that’s cool in and of itself. But, you know, I was honored for her to feel like I was confident enough to bring me on and second shoot an event that she did for the Air Force, in which I actually got to meet Drew Brees. Okay, that was cool. But long story short, that’s just an example of like, you know, we have Video See, that’s me if photography. See we have, we have a graphic design, see, which isn’t filled. Yeah, she does graphic design. And we have a marketing guy does marketing, DJ Thomas, with Hemingway West. We have a plumber we have, well, we have an electric we have a seat for an electrician. We don’t have an electrician, you get what I’m saying? Chiropractors,


Mikayla Anderson  03:27

health literally any anything. Anything.


Josh Warren  03:29

Like, you know, my girlfriend, she does tattoos. And that was like, Can she be in the group? They’re like, Yeah, you know? It doesn’t matter. Right. You know, I mean, maybe like, if you’re a bounty hunter, maybe not. I don’t know. Guys, Greek pharmacist might not get it. Oh, yeah. No, you get you get Yeah, you feel me? No, that’s


Mikayla Anderson  03:58

super cool. And I think even outside of like business networking, just like, I only went once, and this is how I met Josh. And so even like going there. And knowing like, I need all these repairs to my home, and all these other things. Like, I’ve been looking for people because I’m new. I say new to the area. I’ve been here for over a year now. But it’s still pretty new. And so I like even just going and like meeting other people was like huge.


Josh Warren  04:29

Well, how many BNI groups did you go to? I’m asking you the questions.


Mikayla Anderson  04:33

That’s the first one I went to. Okay.


Josh Warren  04:37

I think you told me that but I just want to be sure. So have you gone any other ones?


Mikayla Anderson  04:41

No. Okay.


Josh Warren  04:43

We’re the we’re the best group. I’ll never say that. Bernama president might get mad at me. I don’t know. We’re the best group. I’m gonna say we’re the best group or whatever. But yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Anyway,


Mikayla Anderson  04:58

I had a great time there. But So you told us about BNI. Tell me more about yourself. What do you do? Who’s Josh Warren? I know you do photo and video, but


Josh Warren  05:08

yeah, I mean, okay. I mean, I’ve done a lot of things. I’m 27 or 28 next month. So, you know, I’ve, like I told a guy did a podcast couple weeks ago, I was like, I got busy quick. Like, I got to high school, I got busy work. And really what I wanted to do was party and play music. So I did that, you know, I didn’t start playing guitar until I was 17. And then, within a couple years, I was already like playing shows and doing stuff which playing shows. You’re playing in college towns in Louisiana. You’re good. I was good enough playing bars. Put it like that. That’s still good, though. That’s good. But uh, you know, that was something that, you know, I still like doing to this day. It’s a hobby. But I figured out like, that wasn’t really the route that I wanted to get. I’ve always loved music. I’ve always been passionate about it. But what sent me to ended up going to Bitsy and get my associates in Mass Comm. And what I was doing originally was sound recording. Because I was like, well, if I’m not, you know, if I’m not gonna play music, I want to be able to record you. It’s helped tremendously, I’ll put it like that, that aspect of things has helped tremendously. And like you’re saying, Who am I that is definitely a huge part of who I am. Because really, I would say what got me into media is music. Like, without a doubt, because even as a little kid, I remember. Like, I would make up songs in my head. And I would think to myself that I thought that was normal, like, people will get other people’s song stuck in their head. But I didn’t know that it was out of the ordinary to be able to like, like, compose songs in your head. Like, I just have them playing in your head, and then I would sing them or Westlawn or whatever. Which, like my parents were like, that’s, you should probably play an instrument, which I still, I wanted to play football. That’s going back further, I wanted to play football, which was stupid. Because I’ve had countless now that countless Yeah, I didn’t even play all four years of high school. I played my freshman and senior year, I took two years off. And then like, I mean, concussions, man, like plenty of them. But I mean, it’s most people, most dudes that play football, that’s the thing now, like you’re, you know, we have full term memory loss, because,


Mikayla Anderson  07:33

you know, not all these concussions are that stupid.


Josh Warren  07:35

And like, it’s, you know, I love the sport. But like, it’s just one of those things. To me, it’s like even the guys to go make millions of dollars doing it. Like, they they wrestle with whether or not it’s worth it was worth how decrepit they become, as you know, it’s like, oh, no, I’m glad I stopped doing that. I’m glad I picked up the artistic stuff. Because without me getting into music, I don’t think I really start showing an interest in doing music videos. And that was really like where it began. I started taking photos. And then I had a buddy that was rapping. And I was like, man, like, you know, I really want to start getting into music videos. Like let me do a video for you because I was having to take I was taking film electives in college. And it was a what it was like it was just creative filmmaking. That was just the name of the class. So we did. We did multiple things. Like we did like a silent film, we did a sequence shot film, and then you could do one that was I think there was like four projects. But the last one for sure. Your final was whatever you wanted to do. It just couldn’t be it just couldn’t be feature length. That was the only thing you couldn’t go in. Hell wouldn’t have had time to do it anyway. Right? You can make like a two hour film, but I made a music video for a dude and whose name is Minnis life. That’s his rap name. I won’t tell you his government name because they’ll get mad if I say it on a public forum. But that’s another guy too. That’s another guy who I’ve known since I was like, 12 you know, really? Now? Yeah, I was 12. And he was 13 a gym class together Middle School. That’s so cool. That’s connections, you know? I mean, yeah, like, and that’s, I mean, I’m still hanging out all the time. And I’ll still do work for him and stuff like that, too. So. So yeah, essentially, like, I’ve always been really into art. I do like sports. You know, I kind of got into martial art. I was into martial arts really young. And then like, I got back into it recently. And I mean, it’s cool. I have to kind of gauge though, like, what’s most important to me and how I make money, obviously is doing photo and video, right. So you have to look at those kinds of things, too. It’s like I had this kind of extreme onset of like, even me doing jujitsu. I never. I don’t have a good relationship with doing jujitsu, either. Jiu Jitsu, but it was like, I would I sprained my wrist I sprained my elbow, you know, or whatever, like, I mess my knee, or twist my ankle or, you know, I’d, you know, put a crick in my neck from like, the way I roll and all that kind of stuff. It’s just, it’s a very brutal sport, not unlike football. Like, what I have to realize is like anything I do like that. And really, anything I do in life, I do do in a very extreme, like, I’m all in like that, if that’s what I’m doing, that’s what I want to do. And there are some things though, that’s like, okay, jujitsu is not going to make me money. Unless I do it for 20 years. And then I opened a school in which you can make really good money in that business. But I don’t really want to do that. For the rest of my life. I just, I enjoy casually enjoy it, right. And I think a big thing for me is like, I do have to learn how to casually enjoy things. You know, in order in order to keep my main focus on what it is, and specifically for me, I have no issue being both feet in doing my job, because I’ve seen a lot of success doing it. So really, to wrap it all up. In terms of like who I am, I’m really artsy individual. I’m very passionate, like extremely passionate individual, almost to a fault at times. And that’s really I mean, that’s really just it. It’s just like, it’s it’s art and being passionate about it, which is created this business.


Mikayla Anderson  11:31

Super cool. And so like, I know, with what you talked about with like art, you said it started primarily with music videos. And so like how I know we talked about this at Rhino too, but when you were working in a kitchen, how did you like, tell yourself, okay, I’m gonna go into video and photo full time. And like, what was the turning page


Josh Warren  11:58

on so many things that just in all that what I just said, I didn’t even mention the fact that I worked in a kitchen. So I was a cook. I was a cook. Well, when I was 1718. Yeah, 17, I was a server with I was like, 17 When I was playing in bands, and then I got to be like, 22. And then I worked retail for a little bit, and I got right back in the kitchen. Like it wouldn’t, you know, I’m saying like it would. It went a whole long, a really long time. It didn’t take me very long to just jump right back into it. Because I really do love. I mean, like, I love anything you’ve ordained. And if you look at like myself, there’s a lot of aspects of me, which I have kind of modeled some of my thought processes off of his eye. from a fundamental standpoint, there are a lot of things I don’t agree with him on, even though I mean, much respect to him whether or not he is I mean, he’s passed away, but I would still have that reverence toward him if he was in the room. But it’s a he, he had more, he had more of a cynical viewpoint. Oh, for sure. Of a lot of things. And at the same time, he had a very, in a very beautiful way, like a lot of things too, though. You know, I mean, like he had a very, like, I put it, I truly believe that he did try to see the best in people, you know, given all the all the shows and all the stuff throughout the years, but he influenced me a lot. So long story short, with that I end up in the kitchen. I’m like, I don’t want to serve tables anymore. I really, you know, I wanted to learn that I wanted to learn another skill. Because I got a little taste whenever I was serving, they let me prepare some dishes. It was a Korean restaurant that I worked at first, and they will prepare some dishes. And I always enjoyed it. I enjoy cooking at home. I was like, Alright, let’s see how far I can go with it. And I went as far as I wanted to, you know, like, I went from, I went from being a prep cook, like in a matter of really, basically a year, I went from being a prep cook to a sous chef. That’s not like that’s not really easy to do. Right? And, you know, with all that, but I did have prior knowledge if you know what I mean? I wouldn’t a scrub and really come from nothing so to speak. But there were a lot of terminologies and things that even to this day, I’ll be sitting around with some guys that have cooked for decades, and then they’ll say, hey, hey, Chef, give me that and I’m like, What? What do you want me to make? Like I can do you know, I mean? Like, tell me what do I can do it but yeah, there’s some parts of that. Like, I’m more so have the title because of how hard I worked. Put it like that. There’s a lot of guys that are very like finesse. Like, you know, they’re every aspect of it. It’s just It’s all perfect. And it’s like, because you have guys go to culinary school and they devote their entire lives to it to me it was just like, well, I can cook and I know how to manage people. Yeah, you know, so that turned into I worked at wine country that closed and then I went to Nashville, worked there for a little while there’s a place called Marsh House. Kind of a high scale deal. I mean, I’ve probably told you I like the band Queens of the Stone Age. If I haven’t, that’s my favorite pan. I did tell you about that. Long story short, we got to cook for them. In Nashville, that was really cool. And for me, that was kind of that moment, which I was like, Okay. Lead singer, Queen to the stone age, was best friends with Anthony Bourdain board and just passed away. I’m literally cooking for his best friend. And he’s digging the food. And I’m just like, I think I think I’ve done cooking. You know, I think I’m probably done. You know? Well, I mean, like, in a professional sense. I was just to me, it was like, I didn’t I didn’t want I didn’t want a Michelin star. I didn’t want to. I didn’t want the accolades. That really I didn’t care about I never cared about the awards and all that. Yeah, I was concerned. Like, sincerely what I cared about was cooking good food. And whether or not that ever get gotten noticed, you know, I mean, it put it put it into perspective for me that I’m capable of trading in it, it is kind of it. Some people will say it’s an art form. And then some people say, well, chefs aren’t artists, whatever, whatever you believe about it. I know that me personally, I’m capable of cooking really good food and doing it for people that I actually care about, though. Because that’s the thing that I started running into is like, in the customer service aspect of things. You can’t really chew and when I mean customer service, like you have a restaurant where people anyone can walk in, right. And you get in the situations in which can we can we use profanity on that? Yeah, okay. You get any situations in which you’re cooking for people that are complete assholes? Not just not nice people. So you know, that kind of takes a little passion out of it, because it’s like, okay, well, let me re cook this, you know, whatever it is, that I know I did. I put it out perfectly, but you want it done this way. Because you’re, you’re particular, and you’re a dick. And you know, that’s the thing is like, the guy that owned wine country even would tell me that he’s like, hey, they want it that way. We’ll do it that way. He had a very, a very calm, and he’s a chef himself. And he’s actually, that’s his knife. That’s how much I look up to that dude. And that’s how much that’s how much his wisdom and his it’s his name, Jason Brady, how much his wisdom and how much his advice over that timeframe meant to me, because I don’t believe that I’m the entrepreneur that I am today, unless I did have that guidance from Him. You know, and he had way more of a calm demeanor in the kitchen granted towards the end of things, when we get out. He’s actually a commercial realtor now. But you know, he’d been doing it for over 20 Or he had one country 15 years, you’ve been cooking forever. 20 went to culinary school. He’s that guy who went to culinary school in Charleston, South Carolina. I just badass chef, you know what I mean? But he really understood the business aspect of it. So, you know, again, I’m gonna be really long winded on each one of these questions to wrap all that up. Once you know, what was important to me was fulfilled, in that. I didn’t understand how and and honestly, I’m one of those guys. I’m spiritual. I believe in God. I believe everything happens for a reason. I truly believe that those individuals I mean, what are the chances of my favorite band and lead singer who just so happened to be friends with Anthony Bourdain, who I looked up to so much coming into the restaurant I was cooking at, and a place that is not my hometown that I just moved to within two weeks. I’m like,


Mikayla Anderson  18:54

Yeah, well, I


Josh Warren  18:55

just did, I just did really everything that I wanted. Because in the back of my head cooking, I remember thinking like, you know, it’d be badass to cocoa board and one day be able to cook food for him. And like, I never got to do that. Obviously, he died, you know, so it’s like, for his best friend, I was like, man, what the hell, you know, that’s just to me, I’d done everything I wanted to do. So then getting into media was easy, because that was something that I was already doing. And I was doing on the side. And I wanted to continue to pursue but I wanted to see how far I could take both of them together. And what I realized was was like, okay, the best way to do this is to go work for someone. So this is when I get to Brent Latin with young pros, who’s here in town. And that’s the other individual from an entrepreneurial standpoint without, without him and Jason Brady read Latin and Jason Brady. I don’t I believe I probably could have gotten to the point that I’m at now. And not to say that I have every bit of the success that I’ve accomplished everything I wanted. No, I have not accomplished everything. But I would not be at the point that I am now without both those individuals kind of just being in my ear like, No dude, you can do like because to them like if if I pitch an idea Well, man, what if you know what if I went out I’m on what if I did this? They would always be like, well, of course you can do it. You know, they weren’t, I could tell the overtime that it was like, they weren’t lying to me they really believed like, No, you have you have the personality you have the work ethic you have. We know you can do it. You know, I mean, like, so. I remember once I stopped cooking for good. Me and Jason actually. And I’d actually already worked for Brent at this point. But I did a little stint cooking actually downtown at the lot. Right there. Yeah, or wherever. I just did a little stint over there. I’ll sell them some of my buddies out. And they might I mean, the money was pretty decent. I mean, it was grueling. But I remember thinking to myself, like, yeah, I don’t, I stopped doing this for a reason. I mean, like, I was in a media visit, you know, I was in a role. For almost two years, I worked for Brent, not quite, but it was several months, two years, but it got me really good at editing, I got really good at shooting, you know, all the above all the things I was already good at, I got better at. And, of course, I continue to do so. Because I try to stay current and watch YouTube videos and just, you know, like, stay on top everything but like, I cooked for a little bit. And man like it was grueling enough to me, stressful enough to me to where I was like, I have to, I have to go with my move. I have to, I have to go out on my own and do what I was doing for Brad. That’s what I realized. I was like, and I realized too, I was like, I’m capable of doing that. You know, because that’s what Brent always encouraged me to do. And like I’m saying I want to go shoot with Jason. I’m like guns, we went to the range and we’re just bullshitting. And, or tell him like, Dude, I think I’m gonna join a BNI group. And, you know, I’m gonna go go hard and do my thing. And he’s like, I mean, it’s just with those two guys. It’s just amazing to me, the fact that anything like that, that I’ve ever said, they’ve never been apprehensive. They’re like, do it. Like, what are you doing? Just do it. Yeah, I mean, and like that, that just little amount of confidence. Like, that’s all I really needed. And so yeah, that’s how I ended up being where I am today, right now.


Mikayla Anderson  22:40

That’s really cool. Because that’s a lot because I didn’t know you went through so much to be where you are, like, as far as like, occupation wise, yeah, doing a cook. And then going over to the young professionals group, and all that kind of stuff. But so then you fall you finally went full time? You did you started your own business right out the gates once you actually.


Josh Warren  23:11

So I’m separated now. wife at the time. We had a company which is called ambient creative, which is still exist. She personally does photo and graphic design, but the video aspect of things, you know, that’s, that was all me. And also the photo. I was half of that, you know, but yeah, me and her were doing that together. And then as things kind of transpired, it turned into sort of my own LLC because it just it was going to work out long term a lot better for me and my ex wife not to have which we were going to do. We even had a lawyer be like, No, go in sorry, go an LLC. Trust me, because long term, he’s like, you don’t want to be attached to like, as both y’all most likely get remarried. He’s like, so if one spouse is mad, because you still have a company, he’s like, just don’t he’s like to start your own LLC. I’m still collaborate, right? You want so? So yeah, I, at first it was me and her. And then it turned into you know, once we decided we wanted to split, it turned into me get on LFC.


Mikayla Anderson  24:25

Okay, so, and then yeah, so you guys still collaborate and do all that stuff together? Oh, your thing. Yeah. That’s good. And so with all the stuff that you’ve learned today, with like young professionals, being with your wife, or your ex wife at your old company, and everything, what have you found like, helps you make your business unique, and it like its own way?


Josh Warren  24:53

Just that just the design in general. Like You know, saying like, it’s just, it’s just different, you know what I mean? Like, it’s


Mikayla Anderson  25:06

not traditional, right? It’s


Josh Warren  25:07

not traditional in any way, shape or form, it’s got a very, it’s got a Japanese feel to it. Like is that is literally Japanese wave art. And actually, technically, even water is still there still surface tension, you know, like, they’re still they’re still on, there’s always activity, you know, even if something appears to be still, there’s always energy flowing through it. So the mindset with, you know, surface wave is like, it’s the I, I try to capture in my head, it’s like, I’m capturing, like, life, in and of itself, because my subjects are always living, you know, and even even if it’s food or something like that, it’s prepared by an individual’s living or food was living at one point, you know, that’s the thing, any kind of food, like all of it, it’s all like a, it’s a very broad idea that’s brought into like, one name. And that name hit me. I was like, yeah, like, the surface tension on water, like the surface waves, like, in the ocean themselves. Because like, the, you know, the ocean is always captain. You know, that’s what, that’s why the design and everything looks the way that it is because it’s like, it is quite literally, the, it’s the fact that I’m capturing life, you know, like, you do, you know, a business does, provides a certain service, like I take, I take all that really seriously in the fact that it’s like, it’s to me, it’s not just, it’s not just another check. That’s why whenever I consult people to I’m like, Okay, well, what are you working with, like, we can go as big as you want, we go as small as you want. You know, I mean, like, it’s very, I’m not cookie cutter in terms of, I can recognize when an individual is really worried about, he’s like, Dude, I need marketing, but I really need you to work with me, you know, how much money I have? It’s like, okay, well, you know, I mean, there’s obviously a bottom dollar, where I’m like, well, it’s not worth it for me, I’m sorry, right? You know, but at the same time, like, I cater to those small to medium sized businesses, because I truly believe in enriching the community. It’s something that it’s something that not every business can afford, you know, because I mean, even when I was starting out, I couldn’t, you know, like, I can barely afford me and that my BNI dues paid them, thankfully, and it’s worked tremendously. However, it’s like, you know, that, that that expense to me was like, Oh, my God, $600 for a year, freaked me out, but like, I did it. And I mean, the thing is, is, I know what it feels like to be in that position. I know what it feels like to be in a startup and you’re like, Oh, my God, like, how am I gonna make enough money to pay my bills? You know, and it’s, it’s scary. But the thing honestly, I think the thing that would set me apart from businesses like mine, is that I do cater to those small to medium sized businesses. And the, from a philosophical standpoint, I feel like, I consider everything that I’m doing to be art. Yeah, I’m saying like, because I really do get the gist of a lot of production companies to where a lot of the guys they hire, and I, it’s no bull, me, it’s a good, it’s a good job to have. But I noticed that like a lot of guys and girls they hire, they just learned it in college. And they’re like, alright, well, it’s a job. Right? You know, like, I know how to use a camera, right? You know, there’s the creative aspect of things is just kind of like, you know, they’re gonna give you a decent product, but it’s just, they’re not, their entire livelihood isn’t in it. You know what I mean? Like, it’s not their actual, like, their, every fiber of their being isn’t being put into it. So I think that would be What sets me apart and the individuals that I use, whenever I bring people on jobs, I’m really considerate about, you know, like, what does what is photo doing being what does being a photographer mean to you? What does it doing video mean to you? Like, what does this process mean to you? If it’s not something similar, then? Probably not going to use this on personal I’m not gonna use that person. Right? You know, so,


Mikayla Anderson  29:16

no, I think that’s super important. Because like, there’s a lot of people who look at not only video, but also just like, photos, graphics, all these other things, and they just see it as like, just a asset for my business, right? Or like just like a paycheck or whatever. Like, why am I giving you x amount of money for this? Like, it’s really just something that I need on my website or something that I need for a paid ad campaign or something, right? But it’s so much more than that. Like it’s not like especially because I don’t know if it’s just with like our I don’t want to say hard gender But like a lot of young people look at video photo and all these other things way differently that I’ve met personally.


Josh Warren  30:10

Hit me to that. What are they? What do they see? As? See me? No, I’m talking about photo video you’re saying they look at it, they view it differently. Like, what do you mean?


Mikayla Anderson  30:20

Like they just see it as so much more than like a commercial?


Josh Warren  30:26

Oh, kinda like what we’re talking about. Okay.


Mikayla Anderson  30:29

Which is soup? I don’t know. I must say


Josh Warren  30:32

I was like, Do I sound old? Am I not with the times now? I was like, No, Josh, that’s great. But no one cares.


Mikayla Anderson  30:42

Oh, no, but I don’t know if it’s because I’ve just like friends, a lot of creative people, artsy people who did? Who’s doing video production, wedding films, all these different


Josh Warren  30:56

things we went to school for?


Mikayla Anderson  30:59

I only went for Business Admin. Really? Yeah.


Josh Warren  31:02

How did you just did you take design classes and stuff? No, you just learned that. Okay.


Mikayla Anderson  31:09

Cuz I didn’t like I didn’t. anybody listening from college. I didn’t like the traditional business courses because it was so like cross your t’s dot your i’s like, they taught me really good business ethics.


Josh Warren  31:25

Probably not a lot more idea about how to dress for a pitch today. I did.


Mikayla Anderson  31:37

No, because I love that though. Because it’s not like you don’t have to wear suit and tie to impress somebody, like you really


Josh Warren  31:45

are talking about. I mean, I think I look like I work with a camera for a living.


Mikayla Anderson  31:50

Which I think is not a bad luck.


Josh Warren  31:55

Oh, girlfriend said I like a park ranger earlier. I’ll like day. She takes it there.


Mikayla Anderson  32:06

In between BNI and meeting like all these different people at young professionals and all of these different like, projects you’ve been able to work on with, like your event you just had in everything. How has collaboration in the marketing field helped your business?


Josh Warren  32:25

Well, I mean, it’s just, it’s really like referral base, you know, I’m saying like, and it’s really that’s like one of the, one of the core values of BNI is givers gain, if I give it to somebody, they’re gonna want to give business to me, and it just goes back and forth. Right? So it’s like, I’m relatively new. I’m not as good as passing referrals, as people have been doing it for a long time. But it does, because I can tell the people who’ve been doing it for a long time, it’s very second nature for them. Like they’re like, they know the things to listen for, you know, I’m saying like, they know, because they’re, they’re so acclimated with the way that BNI works, but only that just how networking with people works in general to wher